Who created God?

Faithfulservant said:
Im sorry. I have absolutely no need to prove anything to you. If you dont believe then thats on you. God doesnt need to prove anything to you either. Have a nice life. Im not going to engage with you anymore because you are disrespectful and i feel like you find enjoyment tearing down others beliefs.

Im mourning the death of Charlie Kirk right now and he was just made victim of someone that didnt like what he believed. I cant even talk about him here because everyone saw him as a political figure when i saw him as a man of strong Christian faith who was a father and a husband.
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Just as your God does notcare about me, I too do not care about your God.
If you hoist a flag than my reaction will be to bring it down. Otherwise, all is well.
Are you also mourning for the Gazans, Ukranians and Russians? West is helping to increase the conflict.
 
Aupmanyav said:
You want us to believe in fake stories?
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Please don't imply that members are lying, as that's likely to be perceived as a personal attack.

Also, let's leave current events and politics out of this thread otherwise it will get closed - plenty of places elsewhere online to discuss politics.
 
iBrian said:
Please don't imply that members are lying, as that's likely to be perceived as a personal attack.
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Many believe their stories, but many know them to be wrong but would still stick to them for reasons other than truth.
There are all kinds of situations. I do not think our members lie. :)
 
Yahweh kid said:
Maybe you can explain to me through science how my father in law came back to life?
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TheLightWithin said:
Me? Or the doctors who examined him?
Where would I get more information than they provided you with?
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Faithfulservant said:
I'm sorry you are being trivialized.
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Aupmanyav said:
You want us to believe in fake stories?
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Faithfulservant said:
You want is to believe our stories are fake .
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Aupmanyav said:
Simple. Give us evidence.
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To be fair to everyone, when it comes to the stories referred to here, whatever information those stories may contain, forum members do not have enough information to offer real feedback.
To answer the initial question, I am not a medical doctor, and even if I were, I would not have examined the patient referred to, so no matter what my metaphysical views were, I would not be able to offer much feedback no matter what the details were. Saying the stories are fake is too harsh as we on the forum don't have enough information to say so, and to be upset about skepticism isn't fair either for the same reason.
 
TheLightWithin said:
Saying the stories are fake is too harsh as we on the forum don't have enough information to say so, and to be upset about skepticism isn't fair either for the same reason.
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I agree, and I over react. I should tone down, whether the stories are correct or not. :sheep face:
iBrian said:
It's interesting in how your faith in there being no God is just as strong as some people who have faith there is a God.
Your faith is very strong. :)
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Yeah, it is very strong that everything that exists in the universe arose from the ionic plasma which existed at the time of Big Bang. So humans, animals, vegetation and non-living substances, all arise from the same, without any exception.
That is non-dual Hinduism, 'Advaita'. No need for a God or soul. No judge, we are or the society is the judge. No life beyond death, just change in form for what constitutes us. It is a simple doctrine devoid of complexicities.
 
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iBrian said:
It's interesting in how your faith in there being no God is just as strong as some people who have faith there is a God.
Your faith is very strong. :)
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Yeah, it is very strong that everything that exists in the universe arose from the ionic plasma which existed at the time of Big Bang. So humans, animals, vegetation and non-living substances, all arise from the same, without any exception.
That is non-dual Hinduism, 'Advaita'. No need for a God or soul. We ourselves and the society is the judge. No life beyond death, just change in form for what constitutes us. It is a simple doctrine devoid of complexicities.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Yeah, it is very strong that everything that exists in the universe arose from the ionic plasma which existed at the time of Big Bang.
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Just for the sake of scientific exactitude, ionic plasma did not exist at the time of the Big Bang, but came into existence as a result of it.

Aupmanyav said:
So humans, animals, vegetation and non-living substances, all arise from the same, without any exception.
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No issue with that ... except for the postulate God, about which cosmological physics has nothing to say.

Aupmanyav said:
That is non-dual Hinduism, 'Advaita'.
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Well that's your version of it.
 
Thomas said:
Just for the sake of scientific exactitude, ionic plasma did not exist at the time of the Big Bang, but came into existence as a result of it.

No issue with that ... except for the postulate God, about which cosmological physics has nothing to say.

Well that's your version of it.
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We know only from the time of inflation.
Science cannot deal with imaginary things.
That is true, but Adi Sankara said that "Ishwara" (God) exists only in the pragmatic world (Vyavaharika Satya); and not as an "Absolute Truth" (Parmarthika Satya).
 
Aupmanyav said:
That is true, but Adi Sankara said that "Ishwara" (God) exists only in the pragmatic world (Vyavaharika Satya); and not as an "Absolute Truth" (Parmarthika Satya).
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And I agree with that, as Absolute Truth is beyond all human comprehension – God is our best understanding of it, but that does not mean there is a disconnect between God and "Absolute Truth", as both later terms 'absolute' and 'truth' are categories, whereas God transcends all categories, so is in some senses the better term.
 
Thomas said:
And I agree with that, as Absolute Truth is beyond all human comprehension – God is our best understanding of it, but that does not mean there is a disconnect between God and "Absolute Truth", as both later terms 'absolute' and 'truth' are categories, whereas God transcends all categories, so is in some senses the better term.
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Sankara dissociated God with 'Absolute Truth'. Absolute truth is beyond God. He said God is for the material world.
TheLightWithin said:
I realize Aup can speak for himself.... but I just point out, only he knows his own motives.
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My motive is to tarpedo false beliefs of theists with which they fool people.
 
Aupmanyav said:
My motive is to tarpedo false beliefs of theists with which they fool people.
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Then may I suggest you're going the wrong way about it.

Reasoned discourse is the way forward, not simply declaring it false or myth or whatever ... that's not a torpedo, that's just static.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Sankara dissociated God with 'Absolute Truth'. Absolute truth is beyond God. He said God is for the material world.
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The Christian Apophatic Tradition says broadly the same thing. Eckhart says the same thing.

Consciousness is associated with Brahman, although this order transcends the human categories of understanding.

Maya conceals, but Maya also reveals.
 
Thomas said:
Then may I suggest you're going the wrong way about it.

Reasoned discourse is the way forward, not simply declaring it false or myth or whatever ... that's not a torpedo, that's just static.
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Reason and torpedo. Are they different? On a forum, reason is the torpedo. :)
 
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