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What are you suggesting they were?
Well, when I was a kid I was with my father while he was doing work in the garage when my 10 year younger brother came in...... he walked to the open garage door and saw something running behind the car standing outside. He thought it was a cat but when the creature came out and looked at him it looked like a dwarf, small little man and it then ran away. He was probably 6 or so. I believed him, looking at his pale face and the fact that he was in shock.... now can it be an illusion, I guess show... but my brother was not sick, sleeping or dosed..... my friend's daughter got possessed by we believe a demon when she was in school..... so he actually experienced it firsthand.

So I have spoke to people that experienced things which cannot be explained by the world, so they write it off saying there is something wrong with the person. I prayed and laid hands on my father in law, when he died in my car/van on my wife's birthday when we all went for dinner at a hotel, and Jesus brought him back. But then again, the doctors could not explain why my in-law's heart start beating again. So what must I believe, it is tough just to accept it was all an illusion.

So to answer your question, I would not be surprised if it was some kind of entity. Can it be an illusion, sure.....but does that idea give you peace in your heart or does it still haunt you?
 

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So to answer your question, I would not be surprised if it was some kind of entity. Can it be an illusion, sure.....but does that idea give you peace in your heart or does it still haunt you?
I would totally be surprised if it was anything we did not already know of in physicality.

Haunt me? Science does not haunt me... wild speculation about the unknown does.

Not haunt...it more makes me chuckle when folks look to supernatural answers to things they dont understand.
 

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I would totally be surprised if it was anything we did not already know of in physicality.

Haunt me? Science does not haunt me... wild speculation about the unknown does.

Not haunt...it more makes me chuckle when folks look to supernatural answers to things they dont understand.
Denying the supernatural makes me chuckle, when science can't give any explanation.
How does your duvet be pulled of your bed if you can see nothing or nobody? If science can explain how it can happen I would like to know.
 

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Denying the supernatural makes me chuckle, when science can't give any explanation.
How does your duvet be pulled of your bed if you can see nothing or nobody? If science can explain how it can happen I would like to know.

For the scientific method to be applied, a phenomenon needs to be repeatable, so it can be studied.

Most events that are termed supernatural or parapsychological or some such are one-off events, like the duvet you mention. Science is not the right tool to apply here. (This is a mild version of "Russell's Teapot": if by principle it cannot be observed scientifically, it is pointless to fault science).
 

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For the scientific method to be applied, a phenomenon needs to be repeatable, so it can be studied.

Most events that are termed supernatural or parapsychological or some such are one-off events, like the duvet you mention. Science is not the right tool to apply here. (This is a mild version of "Russell's Teapot": if by principle it cannot be observed scientifically, it is pointless to fault science).
I understand where you coming from, but al I want is some possible explanation. These phenomena's cannot be repeated, because it is not of this world as we know it. I would love for science to give some explanation rather than suggesting the problem lies with the person.
 

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I understand where you coming from, but al I want is some possible explanation. These phenomena's cannot be repeated, because it is not of this world as we know it. I would love for science to give some explanation rather than suggesting the problem lies with the person.

I wasn't suggesting the problem lies with the person, just that science has no way to investigate one-off events. You may have noticed how cosmologists and high-energy ("particle") physicists can reproduce and theorize about conditions close to the beginning of the universe, but never the event itself - it was a one-off event, at least in our universe. Anyway, it's not the case that science has this strategy of sorting every weird phenomenon into "personal issues of the reporter", that would not be very scientific. Individual scientists may run into this trap, of course, being human and all.

When you want to get water out of a tub, you don't choose the sieve, but the dipper, right? No fault of the sieve or of the person tasked with emptying the tub, just not the right tool.
 
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I wasn't suggesting the problem lies with the person, just that science has no way to investigate one-off events. You may have noticed how cosmologists and high-energy ("particle") physicists can reproduce and theorize about conditions close to the beginning of the universe, but never the event itself - it was a one-off event, at least in our universe. Anyway, it's not the case that science has this strategy of sorting every weird phenomenon into "personal issues of the reporter", that would not be very scientific. Individual scientists may run into this trap, of course, being human and all.

When you want to get water out of a tub, you don't choose the sieve, but the dipper, right? No fault of the sieve or of the person tasked with emptying the tub, just not the right tool.
Ok, but these strange things do happen, it cannot be denied and it is not always some illusion/mental disfunction/drugs, etc. (IMO)
 

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TW: Psychosis
Thomas said:
Bearing in mind the above, I'll get to the nub of my queries ...

You's declared the principles of the RHP a delusion, but the affirmation of subjectivity is risky when it's evident that the self is the most fallible element in the whole equation?
I'll be replying to this comment.
I refer to this as Alsihr al'Abyad (white magic) which is an effort to deceive the Consciousness into believing that it has been accepted into some kind of Universal Reality through some form of Deity. This type of magic embraces not only all conventional religions but all pagan or nature-worship ideologies as well.

The Delusion
Right Hand Path religions share a single, universal perennial doctrine. This doctrine posits that the highest good that human life can achieve is through the union with a Supreme Being / Energy/All of the Universe. However, the way in which this is achieved is through the deception of one's conscious awareness into believing that one has been accepted by this Supreme Being/Energy/All otherwise known as the objective universe, which can be understood as it plainly is, a non-conscious, unaware, unintelligent, mechanism of Negentropy and Entropy, composed of Time, Space & Matter.
 

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Denying the supernatural makes me chuckle, when science can't give any explanation.
How does your duvet be pulled of your bed if you can see nothing or nobody? If science can explain how it can happen I would like to know.
Your duvet gets pulled off your bed?....... That's a pervy ghost, YK. No doubts.
Obviously what you could do with is a decent ghost to pull it back up for you. :p
 

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That is a good enough reason to make up supernatural stories...
I wish I would have supernatural dreams..... and then that duvet being drawn from my bed might be quite interesting....
 
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