Reform Catholicism

Thomas

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Having expressed my disapproval of the ideas of 'reform' suggested by a couple of Evangelical Christian commentaries, it seemed to me that perhaps I should offer my own view on the future I would seek.

Let me say straight off I cannot speak for the entirety of Christendom. All I can do is speak for myself and, as a Catholic, speak of where I'd like Catholicism to go. So this is a tad subjective, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

It's largely dependent on the work of others, notably David Armstrong and ... but they've done the research, and I can't think of any gaps, and they doi speak of things that have been in my mind for many years now.

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The idea of 'reform Catholicism' emerged in the Renaissance and came to a point in the Second Vatican Council which really set the court in which the two wings of the Church have been fighting it out ever since. On one side we have the Reformers, and on the other we have the Conservatives, and, of course, both camps have their outliers, the Liberals on the one hand and the Traditionalists on the other. To the outsider it gets confusing (and the insiders, too). It's like a binary-star system.

What the Church has, as its foundation, is its intellectual heritage and its liturgical vision.

Ordain married men – and women
Reform Catholic (RC) thinkers are mostly agreed on the question of priestly celibacy – it's unnecessary. Less so on the question of female ordination (an increasing number trending in that direction – to at least a female diaconate).
A female diaconate had a long history in apostolic tradition. The idea that such were 'necessary' only because of a shortage of men, and now there is no shortage, so no need, is nonsense. The first to be told of the Incarnation was a woman, the first to know of the Resurrection was a woman. Women were instrumental in founding the Church.

A more rigorous formation upon clergy
The current shortage means any prospect of a more rigorous training – including psychotherapy – is unlikely. This is why the hierarchy tends to move priests around, rather than outright dismissal for clerical misbehaviour.
To borrow the metaphor, if the priest is 'a doctor of souls', then the training ought to reflect that. We need a clergy that has learned to heal their own wounds, before seeking to present themselves as healers of others. Likewise marriage and parenthood cannot be learned in the seminary. It takes a doctor 7 years. It takes 2 to get a BA in theology ...

Commit to the intellectual movement in the Church
My Course Director once said, "Christianity is Judaism in the light of the Greek Philosophical Tradition". a sound and wise statement. Catholics should be led towards a study of the bible, the liturgy and patristic theology, as well as church history, comparative theology and ecumenical/interfaith dialogue.

Renew the Liturgy
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the Mass in vernacular language the Novus Ordo), other than rather bland, anodyne and lacklustre translations. The Church should engage poets or lyricists with a deep religious sensibility to the task, and not some kind of bloodless AI translation of Latin and Greek.

Traditional religious 'liturgical' observance across all cultures has the power to move souls – Gregorian, Buddhist, Native American, whatever – learn the lesson.

Commit to synodal governance at local, regional, and universal levels.
If you want people to be human beings, then treat them as such, not as sheep, nor as flocks to be 'corralled' and led by the nose. That means recognition of autonomy, that includes bodily autonomy, and the rights to family planning, and end-of-life determination.

[*]Commit to the development of doctrinal dialogue that speaks to the contemporary world
Patristic theologians like Philo, Clement, and Origen, the Cappadocians, Evagrius Ponticus and Maximus the Confessor, Thomas Aquinas along with Bonaventure (and not Thomas to the exclusion of all else) ... the list of great Catholic thinkers and contributors to science goes on.

Just some thoughts ...
 
In 2020-2024, the late Pope Francis summoned and chaired series of meetings with bishops and lay people, called the 'Synod of Synodality'.
The project aimed at hearing voices from outside and within church to promote changes, including doctrines or Canon Laws if necessary.

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A final report came out in 2024, as Pope's Magisterium which means would exercise some sort of authority.

A few of the suggestions are:
-women's access to the diaconate
- allowing Catholic priests to offer non-liturgical, spontaneous blessings to same-sex couples and those in 'irregular situations'
- better accompany divorced and civilly remarried Catholics.

What do you think?
 
A few of the suggestions are:
-women's access to the diaconate
- allowing Catholic priests to offer non-liturgical, spontaneous blessings to same-sex couples and those in 'irregular situations'
- better accompany divorced and civilly remarried Catholics.

What do you think?
I agree with all of that.

On a side note, I would restrict sacramental marriage as an oath taken before God which is binding and non-negotiable.

As for the everyday wedding, it would be a 'recognition' or some such, but not absolute and irrevocable.

I'd leave the Canon Lawyers to work out the details – something along the lines of a 'porch wedding' as practiced in the Middle Ages, that is a recognition by the community and receiving the blessing of the church, but not the making of an unbreakable oath.

Generally, a move towards allowing the laity greater freedom in making moral choices, such as regards family planning, end of life matters, and so on.
 
I agree with all of that.

On a side note, I would restrict sacramental marriage as an oath taken before God which is binding and non-negotiable.

As for the everyday wedding, it would be a 'recognition' or some such, but not absolute and irrevocable.

I'd leave the Canon Lawyers to work out the details – something along the lines of a 'porch wedding' as practiced in the Middle Ages, that is a recognition by the community and receiving the blessing of the church, but not the making of an unbreakable oath.

Generally, a move towards allowing the laity greater freedom in making moral choices, such as regards family planning, end of life matters, and so on.

A group of five cardinals asked Pope Francis in 2023 to answer five “dubia,” or doubts, related to the synod on synodality. The letter warned that the Synod on Synodality could cause a "schism" in the Church.
 
I agree with all of that.

On a side note, I would restrict sacramental marriage as an oath taken before God which is binding and non-negotiable.

As for the everyday wedding, it would be a 'recognition' or some such, but not absolute and irrevocable.

I'd leave the Canon Lawyers to work out the details – something along the lines of a 'porch wedding' as practiced in the Middle Ages, that is a recognition by the community and receiving the blessing of the church, but not the making of an unbreakable oath.

Generally, a move towards allowing the laity greater freedom in making moral choices, such as regards family planning, end of life matters, and so on.
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A recent survey indicated that most laities are not that in favour of such change.
 
OK ...

Many regard the Synod as a process begun, rather than a done deal. Also, the conservative Catholic wing will just reject it out of hand.

You have to look at who is for, who is against, and their reasoning ... but as @TheLightWithin comments, there's a strong and vociferous Conservative Catholicism active in the US today, with a vocal outreach.

A quick glance suggests that: "Overall, UK Catholics are pushing for structural and cultural change, advocating for a Church that walks with the people, listens deeply, and lives out its mission in a diverse and changing world." I'm sure there's a lot of resistance.
 
A quick glance suggests that: "Overall, UK Catholics are pushing for structural and cultural change, advocating for a Church that walks with the people, listens deeply,
I see the change was initiated by the dioceses of Germany.
 
I see the Synod as the continuation of Vatican II.
 
Welcome aboard, by the way!

When you have a mo', can you pop a note in the Introductions thread?

Regards ... and a blessed Lent,

Thomas
 
I see the Synod as the continuation of Vatican II.
First of all, the Synod of Synodility is not a synod by itself.
After Vatican II, Synod of Bishops was created by Pope Paul VI in 1965 as a consultative body of bishops.
The current Synod on Synodality includes lay voting members.
It looks like out doctrine would be formulated by public opinions, not the HOLY SPIRIT.
 
corrections: 'It looks like out doctrine'...should be 'It looks like our doctrine'
 
The current Synod on Synodality includes lay voting members.
It looks like out doctrine would be formulated by public opinions, not the HOLY SPIRIT.
That is always an issue – but the assistance of the Holy Spirit is not the sole prerogative of the clergy, so that swings both ways.
 
Many would call this blasphemy...others progress.

What would the Thomas I first met say?

I think one of the missions of the church is to save us spiritually and ohysically...but I wonder is the mission of this reform to save the church?
 
That is always an issue – but the assistance of the Holy Spirit is not the sole prerogative of the clergy, so that swings both ways.
Honestly, I don't feel the HOLY SPIRIT is in this:
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The reforms within have, since Vatican II, been with an eye to the Church in the World ... and that point has been stressed by Pope Francis and continues with Pope Leo XIV – a message that's largely heading in the opposite direction of the world as it seems to be heading today ... maybe it'll turn out that the Church saves the world, after all!
 
I'm guessing the picture is a same-sex blessing?

I see no reason why not.

If a priest can bless someone who's not even Christian, let alone Catholic?
 
The reforms within have, since Vatican II, been with an eye to the Church in the World ... and that point has been stressed by Pope Francis and continues with Pope Leo XIV – a message that's largely heading in the opposite direction of the world as it seems to be heading today ... maybe it'll turn out that the Church saves the world, after all!

I'm guessing the picture is a same-sex blessing?

I see no reason why not.
What if the changes cross the boundary too much, would this be the same Catholism we signed up for?

What if the doctrine changes, saying worshiping of YHWH can go together with worshiping Buddha, Brahma. Vishu or Shiva?
 
What if the changes cross the boundary too much, would this be the same Catholism we signed up for?
Well the Catholicism 'I signed up' for turned out to be a Catholicism that covered up, and was complicit in, abuses that are wrong and repulsive to the average atheist, let alone Christian ... so Im not against changes that will see an end to such, even if that includes the clergy coming down off their pedestals.

What if the doctrine changes, saying worshiping of YHWH can go together with worshiping Buddha, Brahma. Vishu or Shiva?
Will it, though? I don't think so.

Having said that, I see no reason to suppose God hasn't talked to all peoples, in all times, in all places ... I just know, for me, there is but one God, in Three Persons. I really don't see us surrendering that, anytime soon.
 
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