Proofs for existence of God

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  1. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

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    Nice post, Devadatta. :)

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  2. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

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    Hi presser kun. :) Seems to me that your honest wrestling with these questions is a healthy point of growth, not weak or indecisive. It takes a lot of courage to examine long held beliefs in the strong light of day and ask yourself what you really think about it all.

    I don't think a person needs to compromise one's logic to attain faith, but at some point logic is going to fall short. The human mind (and, I believe, spirit) is an incredibly flexible thing and can accomodate logic in areas that apply to the world and faith in things that apply to the soul.

    God is outside the realm of material proof. We can have personal confirmations, consolations, experiences of God or sometimes we can just choose to believe and live our lives accordingly, gaining the experiential (and personal) proof in the outcome of our lives. Without a personal experience of the Something More and if you want to be logical, in my opinion the only way to go is agnostic. There is no objective scientific proof for or against God. However, there is a real outcome in this life in choosing, or not, how you are going to set your sails.

    If you choose a metaphysical belief system based purely on reason you can (and most likely ultimately will) reject it based reason. You can't get there just using your head.


    cheers,
    lunamoth
     
  3. earl

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    Wonderfully thought out/expressed post, Devadatta. So true about the return from the mountaintop, from the deep well of noble Silence, from the apophatic to the kataphatic. Good reason to speak of the Ultimate as ineffable. The only way the kataphatic can "speak for God," be the "Word made flesh", is if we return to that apophatic well of "I Am" often to replenish and ensure that the divine flows as best as possible through the relative, conventional reality of daily life. If we can manage that, than each form infused with the waters of Spirit can be a theophany, (Big "T" or little). Take care, Earl
     
  4. brucegdc

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    I don't. But don't expect me to prove I exist... because it would be somewhat difficult to do. Anything I do to prove it may be just another figment of your imagination...
     
  5. Proph 1

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    I can prove I exist. Just ask!
     
  6. presser_kun

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    Indeed. And thank you for saying so.

    Which I have had --

    Which I have done.

    There's my problem: how to set my sails?

    Right. You can't. Erm...I can't.

    Wish I could just let go and let God, as they say. Used to do that, but find it (dare I say it?) unreasonable to do so any longer.

    I pray, but more often meditate now. I practice Qigong, and gain much peace from it. Connecting to the divine within, as some voice it.

    * * *​

    *blinks*

    Wow. I've learned a lot here. Thanks to everyone who joined in and helped me -- even if that wasn't your goal or purpose. I'll continue thinking on these things, even as I figure out how to set my sails.

    And, of course, listening to what you have to say.

    peace,

    press
     
  7. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Admin

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    All I see is words in a piece of software. ;)
     
  8. Awaiting_the_fifth

    Awaiting_the_fifth Where is my mind?

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    Go on then Proph 1, I ask you to prove that you exist.
     
  9. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Hmm, you could try using the six degrees of Kevin Bacon concept...(Brian gave me the idea when he made his last post). ;)
     
  10. Proph 1

    Proph 1 Well-Known Member

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    Who shall I say is asking?
     
  11. Awaiting_the_fifth

    Awaiting_the_fifth Where is my mind?

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    perhaps a figment of your imagination. . . ?
     
  12. InLove

    InLove at peace

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    I just highlighted this one because I like it so much. I told my dad about this one. That old stubborn non-conformist Baptist liked it very much.:)

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  13. Proph 1

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    Understand that just thinking requires existence. One cannot think if he does not exist. Still, we exist and ask "what is the sound of one hand clapping," or the proverbal question, "Who came first the chicken or the egg." Yet in all the awe of philosophical thinking, we forget the obvious:

    "I think, therefore I am."
     
  14. InLove

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    That would be Aquinas, right? But then there is "I AM". Interesting...

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  15. Proph 1

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    Yes, I actually thought about him (I AM) while I wrote my last post. He's great...He's the best!
     
  16. Vajradhara

    Vajradhara One of Many

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    actually.. that rather strange statement was coined by Renee Descartes, the french philosopher.


    from our point of view, of course, what this statement clearly demonstrates is that Mr. Descartes was not able to get past his ego barrier and thus, in his final analysis, he concludes that the propert of "thinking" can only be applied to a self.

    of course, in the Buddhist analysis of consciousness, this is a major obstacle to overcome and... not to put too fine a point on it, it is a significant accomplishment on the journey to the Other Shore should the concept of a self be resolved.

    of course... this has nothing to do with any God whatsoever... so... i'll stop derailing the thread!

    metta,

    ~v
     
  17. Proph 1

    Proph 1 Well-Known Member

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    LOL. We're all being Philosophical and its great. We're all thinking very deep thoughts that I personally find cool and not to mention, intelectually stimulating. What I find funny though, is the irony in all of this. We're all talking about if we exist or not, and qouting from famous philosphers; whom we all heard of subsequentally. And yet, we still cant agree that we exist.

    Go figure!
     
  18. InLove

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    Hello, Peace to All, Namaste--

    No one "derailed" this thread. It was predestined:).

    God Bless, Metta,

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  19. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    I exist. I said so, and God confirmed it, therefore that settles it. If the rest of you are "ghosts" you managed to "impress" onto the keyboards in front of you, your words pretty well...:D

    v/r

    Q

    sha boom sha boom, life is but a dream...
     
  20. Proph 1

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    Hey, Im a young dude, brough up in the hip hop generation. But, I like that song. La la la lalala
     

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