Alchemy

Discussion in 'Ancient History and Mythology' started by Rouge47, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. pohaikawahine

    pohaikawahine Elder Member

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    i think the answer might be 'love' .... and yes the answer is found within each of us .... we must manifest love to prepare the philosopher's stone .... just my thoughts .... aloha nui, poh
     
  2. Rouge47

    Rouge47 Follower of Christ

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    Ever since my heart was broken I never really enjoyed love...

    "She turned and laughed..." some people can be so cruel...:(.
     
  3. InLove

    InLove at peace

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    Hi, guys--peace to all--

    My thoughts on alchemy may be a bit different--don't know much at all about "the sorcerer's stone". Sounds like something that would sell books and movies, though....

    Alchemy was and is science and medicine. Without the pharmaceutical companies and the government. It is simply natural remedies that people throughout the ages have known about.

    Just think about the barber pole. Have any of you seen it? It still remains outside some of the most sophisticated full-service salons and spas you see today. Do you know what the stripes mean? It all has to do with the early days of bloodletting--before barbers and doctors were a separate lot...

    And to think that I thought that 1500 hours and a barber license, and everything my young Ozark mamma and daddy taught this "Native Texan" would actually prompt anyone to listen to me about something like alchemy

    What exactly would you like to know?:)

    InPeace,
    InLove:D
     
  4. mahud

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    "out of the eater
    something to eat"


    The philosopher's stone lies beyond the gateway of eternity, and the stone is the key that unlocks this
    impenetrable door.

    How can one gain possession of the stone if the mystery can only be wrought by the stone itself?

    There are two doors, so i'm told. Often symbolized by the sun and that of the moon. The ever-revolving way of the moon is the temporal realm. the whole earth, air, fire and water, and... thing.

    The creation and disolusion of all things meets at the solar gateway of eternity;

    "where the god with three eyes
    haf-closed/half open lies,
    drunk from too much wine."


    the riddle of the universe is a riddle not unlike the riddle of the stone itself. The alchmists knew that. Disconnection reconnection. same thing.

    Temporality arose out of the eternal, and in turn the eternal must arise out of the temporal. Another riddle, or rather the same riddle.

    The grail is a dish. A symbolic lunar/temporal dish that contains the solar/eternal drink of divine ambrosia.

    The fisher king, 'He who saw the deep', knew this, and was wounded/healed by it, within his revolving castle. Disconnection reconnection. same thing.

    ....The snake slithered away.
     
  5. Rouge47

    Rouge47 Follower of Christ

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    My dad had some GREAT stuff on alchemies history! I'll see if he'll let me post it.
     
  6. Rouge47

    Rouge47 Follower of Christ

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    This stuff isn't my dad's but I came up with this on my own. I just sat down and thought about it. Before you read I would like you all to know that I'm bringing up relations to "free will" in connection to alchemy. Also, I would like everyone to know that I'm not rebelious in any way;).

    *Takes deep breath* Ok here we go...

    According to the Bible we have "free will" but the laws of the earth set limitations to that "free will" and God does also say that we need to obey the laws set forth by the kingdom of the earth. So do we really have "free will?"
    We have a right to do what we want but there are of coarse consequences to those things (or rewards). If we are afraid of the consequences and chose not to do something because of those consequences then DO we have free will? The government(United States) is (I believe) taking away our free will if they are setting limits. This country(United States) was founded under God (or the religion of christianity). Therefor do we not have the RIGHT of FREE WILL? God has GIVEN us free will.

    The definition of a RIGHT is, what I believe, a God given privilage. The rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness(US Declaration of Independence) are all God given rights. Therefor if God has given us the right of free will then shouldn't we be able to do what we want? God gave us a choice in the beginning and still does. True, if we do something wrong then we must be punished, but who says that we can't do what we want on the earth? I'm not being rebelious or anything, but this is a very interesting issue to discuss.

    I believe that we DO have free will and that we CAN do what we want. I also believe that the laws (most of them) set forth by the government are reasonable. I also believe that if we do wrong (or sin, so to say) then we SHOULD be punished for it.

    This brings me back to the Alchemy issue...

    Because we have free will then shouldn't the alchemists choose what their belief should be? Did the Pope have a right to kill them? And didn't the witches, warlocks, and Atheists have the same free will as the alchemists? What is it that makes Man have the right to take away the rights of others?

    This issue is definitly worth discussing! What are everyone elses point's of view's on this topic?

    God Bless,
    Paul

    *Gasps for air*:eek: Whew! That took a lot out of my brain power!

    P.S. To see the original version of this then please visit the Yahoo Group: "Faith-Exploration" You may also view other documents by Faith-Exploration members at the same group.
     
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  7. Sean

    Sean Sean Smythe

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    The church tried to stop alchemy in the middle ages but it actually helped modern medicine. When alchemists would try to turn lead into gold using natural ides as you said above, They would also come up with new Herbal Remedies too
     
  8. evva1

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    Transfiguration.
    They were transforming their old garment and self into new one, heavenly.
    The philosopher stone or whatewer it has been called is inside of you - it's someones true beeing sometimes caled the Self. There are various names for it. Jewel in the lotos flower for eg.
    You can find parables for it almost everywhere, in the New Testament, gnostic scriptures. C.G. Jung has done an amazing work of investigating and understanding alchemy. Etc....
     
  9. evva1

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    Parallels, not parables.(see previous post).
     
  10. Rouge47

    Rouge47 Follower of Christ

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    Hello evva1,

    Welcome to CR:)! I hope you enjoy it here! I know that I do!:D

    God Bless,
    Paul
     

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