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This topic came up at another forum – I thought you may be interested! Thanks to justinian for original post – it confounded me!
Often in the letters of Paul there are references to Christ eventually being worshipped by the Gentiles (in this case, the Roman Empire, Europe, et cetera). This isn't so extroardinary, but what is, is what Paul is quoting in Isaiah. Bear with me, atheists and agnostics, what I am about to address is a very interesting thing about the Old Testament, addressed to those who dismiss every part of the Bible as rubbish.
Isaiah is saying that all the Gentiles will worship Jesus Christ, a theme generally followed by most Old Testament "prophets" and many New Testament authors, writing in the first or second century AD.
Now listen to this: Isaiah was a prophet writing in the 7th century BC, when the Babylonians were conquering Israel. Isaiah prophesied that, as the Jewish religion looked as if it would be annihilated by the Babylonians, all the Gentiles would soon follow the religion of the "Root of Jesse", which happens to be Jesus. Nearly a millenium before Constantine, Isaiah predicted Christianity, an off branch of Judaism, would one day be the religion followed by all "Gentiles", Europe.
Paul reaffirms this in his own writings in the first century, when Christianity was specifically persecuted and its chances of becoming state religion for Rome almost nil. It was underground, Christians were persecuted and killed if their faith was discovered.
That's point one - around nine hundred years before Constantine Isaiah prophesied what would happen.
Point two:
In case you were too busy tuning out "Christian" (read: Isaiah lived six hundred years before Christ) indoctrination, Isaiah states that as the Babylonians are having a bit of a party, the Elamites and Medes (read: PERSIANS) will attack and occupy Babylon.
A hundred years later at least, the Persians attacked Babylon during a feast and captured it.
If everything in the Bible is rubbish, including the Old Testament, and there is no God and no divine influence, and Isaiah did not have a time machine because there is no way to go forward in time, how the **** was he able to guess such ridiculous things - that Babylon, great empire, would be destroyed by the Persians during a feast? That Christianity/Judaism, a very small and unimportant religion in a very small part of the world, would one day be the religion adopted by most of the known world? How did Isaiah write such accurate prophecies without even using cloak-and-dagger techniques like a certain other "prophet", Nostradamus?
And before you say the Mafia known as the Catholic Church edited Isaiah to fit their own ends, Isaiah is a Jewish book. It is in the haf-Torah. Every copy of the Torah is meticulously copied, letter for letter, of the next, and thus all are identical; all have these sections of Isaiah. These sections of Isaiah are also in the Dead Sea scrolls.
Furthermore, the oldest copy of Isaiah predates Christ and Christianity by a century (the Isaiah Scroll) and states nearly the exact same thing as most copies of the Torah. The Torah could not have been edited by Christians, and the Torah is meticulously copied (even more so then the Koran) by Jewish scholars who specialise in that copying, and it has been copied in that way since Moses started writing.
The text could not have been edited by Christians!!!
Often in the letters of Paul there are references to Christ eventually being worshipped by the Gentiles (in this case, the Roman Empire, Europe, et cetera). This isn't so extroardinary, but what is, is what Paul is quoting in Isaiah. Bear with me, atheists and agnostics, what I am about to address is a very interesting thing about the Old Testament, addressed to those who dismiss every part of the Bible as rubbish.
QUOTE (Isaiah 11:10)
In that day, the Root of Jesse [Jesus for those who don't know] will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him [the nations referring to the Gentiles].
In that day, the Root of Jesse [Jesus for those who don't know] will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him [the nations referring to the Gentiles].
Isaiah is saying that all the Gentiles will worship Jesus Christ, a theme generally followed by most Old Testament "prophets" and many New Testament authors, writing in the first or second century AD.
Now listen to this: Isaiah was a prophet writing in the 7th century BC, when the Babylonians were conquering Israel. Isaiah prophesied that, as the Jewish religion looked as if it would be annihilated by the Babylonians, all the Gentiles would soon follow the religion of the "Root of Jesse", which happens to be Jesus. Nearly a millenium before Constantine, Isaiah predicted Christianity, an off branch of Judaism, would one day be the religion followed by all "Gentiles", Europe.
Paul reaffirms this in his own writings in the first century, when Christianity was specifically persecuted and its chances of becoming state religion for Rome almost nil. It was underground, Christians were persecuted and killed if their faith was discovered.
That's point one - around nine hundred years before Constantine Isaiah prophesied what would happen.
Point two:
QUOTE (Isaiah 21:2 @ addressing Babylon)
Elam, attack! Media, lay siege! [...] They set the tables, they spread the rugs, they eat, they drink! Get up, officers, oil your shields [get ready to fight][...] Babylon has fallen, Babylon has fallen!
.Elam, attack! Media, lay siege! [...] They set the tables, they spread the rugs, they eat, they drink! Get up, officers, oil your shields [get ready to fight][...] Babylon has fallen, Babylon has fallen!
In case you were too busy tuning out "Christian" (read: Isaiah lived six hundred years before Christ) indoctrination, Isaiah states that as the Babylonians are having a bit of a party, the Elamites and Medes (read: PERSIANS) will attack and occupy Babylon.
A hundred years later at least, the Persians attacked Babylon during a feast and captured it.
If everything in the Bible is rubbish, including the Old Testament, and there is no God and no divine influence, and Isaiah did not have a time machine because there is no way to go forward in time, how the **** was he able to guess such ridiculous things - that Babylon, great empire, would be destroyed by the Persians during a feast? That Christianity/Judaism, a very small and unimportant religion in a very small part of the world, would one day be the religion adopted by most of the known world? How did Isaiah write such accurate prophecies without even using cloak-and-dagger techniques like a certain other "prophet", Nostradamus?
And before you say the Mafia known as the Catholic Church edited Isaiah to fit their own ends, Isaiah is a Jewish book. It is in the haf-Torah. Every copy of the Torah is meticulously copied, letter for letter, of the next, and thus all are identical; all have these sections of Isaiah. These sections of Isaiah are also in the Dead Sea scrolls.
Furthermore, the oldest copy of Isaiah predates Christ and Christianity by a century (the Isaiah Scroll) and states nearly the exact same thing as most copies of the Torah. The Torah could not have been edited by Christians, and the Torah is meticulously copied (even more so then the Koran) by Jewish scholars who specialise in that copying, and it has been copied in that way since Moses started writing.
The text could not have been edited by Christians!!!
