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Does anyone know where the different beliefs within christianity originated from? I have been trying to research this in my spare time, but i'm just not sure where to look. I find it interesting to know how the babtist, methodist, luthern, catholic, etc., beliefs came about and why so many different views or ideas exist.

Thanks.:) Punzel
 
wikipedia is informative.. Ive never had a problem finding out how a denomination was started when I was curious.. you could probably just google it. Lutheranism is probably the most famous one and is actually part of World History.. it kind of surprises me that someone doesnt know about it.
 
punzel said:

serious. Get this book. "Church History...in plain language"

by Bruce L. Shelley

I wasn't funnin you. I'm sorry if you thought so. That was my mistake.
 
The Disciples of Christ and close followers went off to the Roman-Byzantine Empire to spread the word, including reasons of persecution, many you find in Palestine at the time were of Greek descent anyway as Greek colonies were established even before Alexander Great 300 years before Christ, so wasn't that much of a effort for them to go West. Cyprus was the first Christianised country in the world. Then I suppose the influence of Christianity got in to the Government, most significant progress made with the self conversion of Saint Constantine (A Greek Also), then its all history.
 
Postmaster said:
The Disciples of Christ and close followers went off to the Roman-Byzantine Empire to spread the word, including reasons of persecution, many you find in Palestine at the time were of Greek descent anyway as Greek colonies were established even before Alexander Great 300 years before Christ, so wasn't that much of a effort for them to go West. Cyprus was the first Christianised country in the world. Then I suppose the influence of Christianity got in to the Government, most significant progress made with the conversion of Constantine (A Greek Also), then its all history.

There is no doubt that the Greeks pushed Chrisitianity...
 
For sure, they lay the foundations of the Christian religion today, especially in the rest of Europe. It's always the starting point.
 
Also I would like to point out that many atheists that try to discredit Christianity often point out too many connections of Greek Philosophy to the teaching of Christ, which I must say there is. But I would like to twist it and say it’s very possible that Jesus himself was influenced by Greek Philosophy rather then corruption in the bible from the western powers. For instance the very idea in the Christian faith that just thinking of a sin is as bad of doing the sin itself, was an idea by Greek Philosophy before Christ.
 
...For instance the very idea in the Christian faith that just thinking of a sin is as bad of doing the sin itself, was an idea by Greek Philosophy before Christ.

Really? Can you expound on this?
 
Quite surprised you never knew this.. For a start the philosophical teachings of the Cynics (Greek Philosophical School) have similarities with Christianity teachings. Cynics were upper class Philosophers and had influence over society and in Greek colonies for instance in Palestine ,
Romans often got angry with these Greco's and banished them for corrupting the people.

As for your above quote the idea of thinking of a sin being as bad as the sin itself was a separate Greek Philosopher but I forgot his name.. Greeks were the best philosophers and of what Western philosophy is still based on today, was unique. Christianity is Greek Philosophy and Judaism put in a bowl and mixed. No wonder Christianity had it tough from both. Let point an other thing out. All this Baha'i theology of knowledge and reason to be the way to god, I have to disagree with it. The Greeks were saying it hundreds of years before Christ and it is something tested and failed. God is Mystery, love and kindness is the way to God. He more or less destroyed reason as a way to God. Thank you Jesus Christ ;)


 
Postmaster said:
Quite surprised you never knew this.. For a start the philosophical teachings of the Cynics (Greek Philosophical School) have similarities with Christianity teachings. Cynics were upper class Philosophers and had influence over society and in Greek colonies for instance in Palestine ,
Romans often got angry with these Greco's and banished them for corrupting the people.

As for your above quote the idea of thinking of a sin being as bad as the sin itself was a separate Greek Philosopher but I forgot his name.. Greeks were the best philosophers and of what Western philosophy is still based on today, was unique. Christianity is Greek Philosophy and Judaism put in a bowl and mixed. No wonder Christianity had it tough from both. Let point an other thing out. All this Baha'i theology of knowledge and reason to be the way to god, I have to disagree with it. The Greeks were saying it hundreds of years before Christ and it is something tested and failed. God is Mystery, love and kindness is the way to God. He more or less destroyed reason as a way to God. Thank you Jesus Christ ;)



Hey Postmaster, At the risk of derailing this thread I'd like to comment on what you say above about the Baha'i Faith. Aside from noting the very large differences in theology between Christinaity and Baha'i, I never really found these differences to be much of a worry, at least where they remain metaphysical (the practical application is another story). But, you have pointed out what I also think is the greatest weakness of Baha'i theology, that knowledge and reason alone are the path to certitude. I found that the very same path that leads one to the Baha'i Faith, if followed consistently, also eventually leads one away...

lunamoth
 
But, you have pointed out what I also think is the greatest weakness of Baha'i theology, that knowledge and reason alone are the path to certitude. I found that the very same path that leads one to the Baha'i Faith, if followed consistently, also eventually leads one away...

Well spotted! In the age of mass internet communication and an enlightened west I see this being a problem! I will make efforts to point out the illegitimacy of the Baha'i faith. Significant is the connection to Manichaeism, because Christians already wrote a lot about them to discredit that faith and I think the old books would be good in reading in countering the Baha'i theology from a Christian point of today. Funny there is even historical and theological connections between Baha'i and Manichaeism.
 
Thought I'd throw in a couple of points:

The expansion of Christianity in the early centuries was nothing short of epidemic, and not to do with Greek philosophy, which had yet to make an impact on doctrinal thinking. By AD60 there was a sizeable community in Rome, and within a hundred years of Golgotha there were Christian communities in every corner of the empire.

A significant factor in the spread was the (relative) ease and safety of travel within the empire itself, and with just common Greek or Latin, one could be understood from Scotland to Asia Minor, from the Steppes to the deserts of North Africa. There is no question that the free movement within the frontiers enabled athe rapid spread of the gospel.

Persecutions were invariably local and sporadic, until the 3rd century when they became more widespread and pursued with greater vigour. One of the biggest was initiated by the Alexandrian Greeks who, by that time, had come to recognise Christianity as a rival philosophical system. What annoyed them, as Celcus' writings indicate, was that anyone could become a Christian, you didn't need to be highly educated - this conflicted with the view that salvation belonged to the intellectual elite, that religion was an intellectual pursuit.

A major, if not the major factor, in the uptake of Christianity was its morality, not its philosophy, and this was why it was embraced by the poor, the women, etc.

Christian social programmes were the talk of the empire. By the 2nd century the community in Rome alone was looking after over 1500 widows and orphans, the sick and the destitute - who otherwise would be left to fend for themselves or die. Everyone was taught to read and write, so that soon 'educated slaves' became a desirable commodity, invariably educated within Christian communities. Likewise Christians rose in the Roman hierarchy because they were educated and because of their moral character.

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The point regarding Greek philosphy is to remember that a higher truth does not displace the lower, but incorporates it. The 'problems' of Platonic philosophy, for example, found a solution in the JudeoChristian philosophy of creation which saw the world as essentially good, and not evil.

The unfortunate and intractable dualism of Platonic thinking still permeates Christian thought however, most evidently with regard to the soul as something extrinsic to the body - in JudeoChristian thought the soul does not inhabit the body, which it will discard at death, the body IS the soul, manifest in a corporeal mode of being.

Once this is understood, vistas of Christian anthropology, a vision of the nature of 'being-ness' (the 'esse' of the Scholastics), blossoms in its full magisterial and theophanic promise - and to my mind, a vision without equal.

Thomas
 
The expansion of Christianity in the early centuries was nothing short of epidemic, and not to do with Greek philosophy, which had yet to make an impact on doctrinal thinking.

I will say Jesus was a catalyst yes. But could he have done it without Greek Philosophy? After all I'm talking about the very roots of Christianity and I believe it is relevant to the thread topic. Doesn't change my view of the Jesus Christ of faith by the Church today though.

http://www-oxford.op.org/allen/html/acts.htm

Jesus as a first century Palestinian Jew spent his entire life under the political domination of Rome and the cultural influence of the Hellenistic east.
 
Thank you for that post Thomas, very informative.

The point below would make a good thread in itself.

Thomas said:
The unfortunate and intractable dualism of Platonic thinking still permeates Christian thought however, most evidently with regard to the soul as something extrinsic to the body - in JudeoChristian thought the soul does not inhabit the body, which it will discard at death, the body IS the soul, manifest in a corporeal mode of being.

Once this is understood, vistas of Christian anthropology, a vision of the nature of 'being-ness' (the 'esse' of the Scholastics), blossoms in its full magisterial and theophanic promise - and to my mind, a vision without equal.

Thomas

lunamoth
 
The unfortunate and intractable dualism of Platonic thinking still permeates Christian thought however, most evidently with regard to the soul as something extrinsic to the body

I would say it's truthful. How would we explain out of body experience, that many claim to have. If the body is there, how does someone have a consciousness out of it and then pass the information on to the body, it must be separate. Even Brian has talked of an out of body experience so he might agree with me.
 
Hi Postmaster -

I'm inclined, as well as obliged, to agree, but those influences were political and cultural, which inevitably shaped the moral dimension, or shaped the receptacle of the moral dimension, of His teaching, but His teaching was first and foremost spiritual, and founded emphatically on Judaism.

Having said that, there has been little posted in this Christian forum about the 'Wisdom Literature' of the Old Testament compared to the 'Prophetic Literature', and the former was undoubtedly informed by Hellenic philosophy, and without doubt this influence shaped Judiasm and thus Jesus' 'commentaries'.

As the article goes on to say:
Far more helpful are the proposals of Meyer and Wright to see Jesus as the organizer of a new temple along the lines of the teacher of righteousness and the Qumran community. A valuable future task might be to explain the differences between Jesus’ temple community and Qumran community in terms of their differing approaches to Hellenization and Romanization.
http://www-oxford.op.org/allen/html/acts.htm

The theistic vision of the Teacher of Righteousness was, however, tainted with a Manichaen influence.

And thanks for this link, by the way!

The very roots of Christianity is laid out in the Creed and the Lord's Prayer - its exegesis is via philosophy - they used philosophy to explain their religion, not religion to explain their philosophy.

As my course tutor said:
"The Church has a dual ancestry, revelation in salvation history, and rational
philosophical reflection in the Greek tradition. It is a proud and rich
heritage.."

Thomas
 
Sometimes I believe that no amount of philosophy can explain plain kindness, love and sacrifice. It's just an instinct of the heart. Sometimes I believe that philosophical theology is an imperfection of that but still part of the plan. Thank you for your posts too!
 
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