origin of christian denominations

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Jean Borella wrote:

"We will get a clear idea of it if we only consider the role played by our bodies as the instruments of our presence in the world. It is in fact through the body that we are present in a world of bodies. However, this presence, of which we believe ourselves to be the masters since it is somehow identified with us, is in reality a passive and involuntary presence..."

and later:

"What happens then, to the contrary, in the Resurrection of Christ? What happens is that the resurrected Body is as if a witness, a living proof, a saving irruption of the glorious nature of the created within the bosom of its dark and opaque modality: Christ's body is still the instrument of presence in the world of bodies, but, by a total change, it is no longer of the essence of this presence to be passive and involuntary ... Christ is no longer seen, He causes Himself to be seen. This is exactly what the Gospels teach,"
http://www.theveil.net/meta/bor/gnos_3.html

This is something I am still working on ... but it is a profound view...

Thomas
 
Postmaster said:
Sometimes I believe that no amount of philosophy can explain plain kindness, love and sacrifice.
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Is this how you demonstrate your kindness and love? Are you really that threatened concerning the Baha'i Faith and your willingness to try to denigrate this Great Cause so recent from God.

How utterly conceited and insolent of you to think that you can derail anything from God. How utterly ignorant of you to say that Jesus, who you proclaim to be God, would have to depend on the Greek philosophies. Do you actually have a concept of God or are you still in some sort of intellectual vacuum filled with your own self worth.

As you are willing to attack the Baha'i Faith anywhere for no reason or without provacation, I am willing to defend it.

Mick
 
Sorry but got nothing against the Baha'i faith just think it doesn’t fit into Christian theology and was just pointing out in this forum.
 
Mick said:
Is this how you demonstrate your kindness and love? Are you really that threatened concerning the Baha'i Faith and your willingness to try to denigrate this Great Cause so recent from God.

How utterly conceited and insolent of you to think that you can derail anything from God. How utterly ignorant of you to say that Jesus, who you proclaim to be God, would have to depend on the Greek philosophies. Do you actually have a concept of God or are you still in some sort of intellectual vacuum filled with your own self worth.

As you are willing to attack the Baha'i Faith anywhere for no reason or without provacation, I am willing to defend it.

Mick
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First and foremost. This is the Christian forum. Second, no one attacked Baha'i anything. There was a simple comparrison and a derived opinion or thought, on the "Christian Forum". Third, those who are not Christian, may come here to ask questions about the Christian faith, but in no way will abusive language against Christians on the Christian forum be tolerated...

I do not go on the Baha'i forum and profess that all (or one) who consider Baha'i Faith as anything ignoble. If you can't adhere to the CR Code of conduct, your posts will not be welcome here.

That is not the way I wish to take this, but you must refrain from such emotional outbursts, and rudeness. And you owe Postmaster an apology...

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Quahom1
Moderator
 
No need for apologies I forgive him! I'm guilty of doing the same on the Bahai' forum I must say.
 
Postmaster said:
No need for apologies I forgive him! I'm guilty of doing the same on the Bahai' forum I must say.
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Perhaps, but that is not the point. Two wrongs don't make a right. So go over to your neighbor and apologize...;)

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Q
 
Postmaster said:
Well spotted! In the age of mass internet communication and an enlightened west I see this being a problem! I will make efforts to point out the illegitimacy of the Baha'i faith. Significant is the connection to Manichaeism, because Christians already wrote a lot about them to discredit that faith and I think the old books would be good in reading in countering the Baha'i theology from a Christian point of today. Funny there is even historical and theological connections between Baha'i and Manichaeism.
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Well, Quahom 1, well put, but you are really off kilter. There is no apology forthcoming and I have included a quote from Postmaster found on page 1 of this thread. I would say that is not only an attack on the Baha'i Faith but a declaration to continue to do so.

You wrote,
Third, those who are not Christian, may come here to ask questions about the Christian faith, but in no way will abusive language against Christians on the Christian forum be tolerated...
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Reread my post. I did not use any abusive language and I surely did not say anything against Christianity. In fact I celebrated Jesus of Nazereth in His Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Omnipresence when I suggested He surely didn't need any guidance from Greek philosophers when He shared God's message with us.

I would agree that this is a Christian forum and should be used to answer questions from Christians, but how do you explain the above quote from Postmaster, except to say he was attacking and did proclaim to continue to attack. We would welcome this discussion on the Baha'i Forum, but it would hardly be fair or acceptable by the standards of the CR to allow this behavior on a Christian site. Would it? In fact, why didn't you or somebody question it. Did you notice that Postmaster was responding to another poster? They had went off thread to discuss the Baha'i Faith without anybody to clarify any misconceptions. That is what comparative religion is about, isn't it?

I will accept an apology from you or Postmaster on behalf of the Baha'i Faith.

Thank you

Mick
 
Mick said:
Well, Quahom 1, well put, but you are really off kilter. There is no apology forthcoming and I have included a quote from Postmaster found on page 1 of this thread. I would say that is not only an attack on the Baha'i Faith but a declaration to continue to do so.

You wrote,

Reread my post. I did not use any abusive language and I surely did not say anything against Christianity. In fact I celebrated Jesus of Nazereth in His Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Omnipresence when I suggested He surely didn't need any guidance from Greek philosophers when He shared God's message with us.

I would agree that this is a Christian forum and should be used to answer questions from Christians, but how do you explain the above quote from Postmaster, except to say he was attacking and did proclaim to continue to attack. We would welcome this discussion on the Baha'i Forum, but it would hardly be fair or acceptable by the standards of the CR to allow this behavior on a Christian site. Would it? In fact, why didn't you or somebody question it. Did you notice that Postmaster was responding to another poster? They had went off thread to discuss the Baha'i Faith without anybody to clarify any misconceptions. That is what comparative religion is about, isn't it?

I will accept an apology from you or Postmaster on behalf of the Baha'i Faith.

Thank you

Mick
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Moderator Hat on:

I will repeat for the bleachers. This is the Christianity forum...

You attacked an individual personally. That will NOT be tolerated, I don't care what faith you adhere to.

If YOU can not adhere to the code of conduct, YOU will not be welcome with your posts.

Moderator Hat off:

You and postmaster should shake hands.

v/r

Q
 
Quahom1 said:
Moderator Hat on:

I will repeat for the bleachers. This is the Christianity forum...

You attacked an individual personally. That will NOT be tolerated, I don't care what faith you adhere to.

If YOU can not adhere to the code of conduct, YOU will not be welcome with your posts.

Moderator Hat off:

You and postmaster should shake hands.

v/r

Q
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I agree that my post was personal and should have been handled with moderators. On the other hand you said I attacked an individual personally. How else would one attack somebody and I really don't see it as an attack. I asked some tough questions. Too tough, obviously, for anybody to answer.

Do you agree that these comments concerning another religion were unwarranted? I am curious. You do realize, or maybe I have it wrong, this section isn't exclusive to Christians. I thought it was part of a general organization to aid in finding topics that we may be interested in. It seems that you are saying to "stay on your side of the fence". I'm sure you aren't, but it would seem that way.

I again ask you if it is the norm for members to denigrate another Faith and be supported by the moderators or is that just found in this section?

By the way, what does "I will repeat for the bleachers" mean.

Mick
 
Sorry Mick but doesn't take a theologian to tell you the Baha'i faith has nothing to do with Christian theology! Maybe it does in the Baha'i faith but not in Christianity and I don't believe it does either. And as you can see in my posts all I was doing was warning and pointing this out and although you might think I'm turning from God in doing this I don't! And this is the one place in the forum where I can express such views. Progressive revelation doesn't make sense! Not philosophically nor spiritually. It's just an idea to justify ill thoughts and in true Gnostic fashion and should await the same fate of it's predecessor religion manicheanism.
 
Postmaster said:
Sorry Mick but doesn't take a theologian to tell you the Baha'i faith has nothing to do with Christian theology! Maybe it does in the Baha'i faith but not in Christianity and I don't believe it does either. And as you can see in my posts all I was doing was warning and pointing this out and although you might think I'm turning from God in doing this I don't! And this is the one place in the forum where I can express such views. Progressive revelation doesn't make sense! Not philosophically nor spiritually. It's just an idea to justify ill thoughts and in true Gnostic fashion and should await the same fate of it's predecessor religion manicheanism.
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Postmaster,

My first thought when I read your post was to answer with "HUH!" but decided not to. Bring these thoughts to the Baha'i forum and we can discuss them. I am not sure this is the correct place for discussions of Baha'i Principles. For instance, you said Progressive Revelation doesn't make sense but in post #9,of this thread, you wrote,

"But I would like to twist it and say it’s very possible that Jesus himself was influenced by Greek Philosophy rather then corruption in the bible from the western powers. For instance the very idea in the Christian faith that just thinking of a sin is as bad of doing the sin itself, was an idea by Greek Philosophy before Christ."

Aren't you suggesting a type of "Progressive Revelation", though not in the same sense the Baha'i Faith teaches. Progressive revelation makes so much sense, I can't fathom how anybody could simply dismiss it. We use the analogy of a grade school and how a student learns year by year, increasing their knowledge and building on the lessons of the past. But we shouldn't be discussing this in a Christian forum, should we. We should be discussing this in the Baha'i Forum.

See you there

Mick
 
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Quahom1
Moderator Christian Forums
 
Okay, Quahom did the right thing by removing offending posts from this thread, but I've returned them so that Mick's behaviour could be highlighted.

Firstly, I had already contacted Postmaster in private informing him that in no way will it be acceptable for him to use CR as a platform to launch direct attacks on any other faith. That's not what CR is for. It was already dealt with.

If *anyone* has a problem with any post here, report it to the staff, including myself, and we'll attend to it.

They say other people are a mirror to ourselves, so we are quickest to see the flaws in others that are actually our own. I recommend people consider that when posting in anger *at* other members.

Anyone who repeatedly attacks other members and staff - and considers it their continued right to do so, despite warnings against it, has no place at CR.

With that, thread closed.
 
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