Pico
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Anyone heard of this guy before? http://www.shareintl.org/
Seems like a good candidate for the Antichrist to me.
Seems like a good candidate for the Antichrist to me.
RubySera_Martin said:I don't understand why we expect the antichrist, given that John says:
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA
Sounds like there have already been many antichrists. We tend to think of the anti-Christ as some sinister evil person. But it seems all we have to do to be an antiChrist is deny that Jesus is the Christ. This would seem to include, based on my best reading, that the anti-Christ is just the ordinary person who does not believe in Jesus as the Christ. I welcome deeper insight, this is just my reading.
Quahom1 said:Revelation states there will be one who unites the world for 42 months (a very charismatic individual), then goes nuts for the next 42 months (puts himself as a god to be worshipped), persecuting and destroying, which brings Christ back with His holy army.
RubySera_Martin said:I've heard objection to Christians trying to make the Bible come true. I never knew what they meant, but this statement "which brings Christ back with His holy army" sure looks like humans can influence Christ's return. I don't think that God operates on that inferior level of motivation. I think Christ's return, if it will happen, will be motivated by some larger cosmic principle of which humans cannot guess or imagine. That is how I was raised to believe and in my opinion it fits better with the image of an almighty, all-powerful, all-knowing God. The other fits right in with human prejudices and "hissy-fits" to use someone else's term. I've read Revelation more than once and nowhere did I get the impression that humans can impact Christ's return. Of course, I don't understand that book and was warned that it is not a good book for the immature to read. I was probably about fourteen when I first attempted to read it. It contains some fascinating imagery.
Quahom1 said:Ah, but I didn't write the book of Revelations. I only pointed out scripture in a particular holy book. And that particular book is backed by others (Daniel, and Ezekiel), And that book is 1800-2000 years old.
And it is quite specific on how things will happen. Now, whether we believe it or not, is our choice.![]()
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RubySera_Martin said:I know you did not write the Bible. Do you claim that there is a verse in the Bible that says certain behaviour of a specific world superpower will make Christ come with his armies? I don't remember reading anything to that effect. Would you please you cite chapter and verse so I can read it in context?
Quahom1 said:Actually not a superpower but a person in control of much of the world.
Here is some well thought out and neutral information on who or what the AntiChrist might be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiChrist
In the articlce you will find chapter, verse, and counter thought to what some Christians consider the AntiChrist.
I only pointed out scripture in a particular holy book. And that particular book is backed by others (Daniel, and Ezekiel), And that book is 1800-2000 years old.
RubySera_Martin said:...
That sounds very much like you are saying that there is a specific passage in the Bible that explicitly says the antiChrist will "brings Christ back with His holy army." I don't understand why you would say that when there is no such passage. I am especially puzzled why you would then challenge a person to believe or disbelieve this non-existent passage. Frankly, I feel like I've been lied to and that this lie has been sealed with an oath (the challenge to believe or disbelieve). There is so much in the Bible against bearing false witness and swearing falsely I just don't understand why Christians are forever lying about what the Bible actually says and then condemning me for not believing.
Quahom1 said:Now I'm not concerned what you think of me (I lied about nothing), but to paint a broad stroke over all Christians as liars, is a bit much.
taijasi said:I can tell you what the antichrist is, and quite specifically. So far, no one has stated it accurately on this particular thread, or at least, that I've noticed.
The antichrist is not a specific individual, for this is the same kind of ignorant, superstitious scapegoating that leads some to falsely assume that "the devil" is a force entirely separate from themselves and external. Nothing could be further from the truth. The greatest battle of all fought within the individual is that between his or her own spiritual Presence (identical with `God' for it is the immanent presence of God within every human heart) ... and the lower, "animal" nature, aka the human ego. In this battle, which precipitates fully in some particular lifetime or another, the Angel of the Presence - a definite Individuality - must defeat the sum-total of "evil" that has accumulated throughout the long series of incarnations that each of us has undergone. Most of us are quite a ways yet from that final battle, thus we face lesser conflicts in our present lifetime, though some of these can be substantial battles in & of themselves.
Notice that nowhere in this have I suggested that there is no such thing as external evil, or an external antichrist. Most certainly there are forces which represent both of these (they are not synonymous - the latter is a subset of the former), yet even on a planetary scale, what I said above applies. Collectively, in terms of Humanity, there is also an antichrist, and this is the same force relative to the whole of Humanity as that within each individual which opposes the Christ Presence. Thus, anything that tends toward separativeness as against Unity ... is of the antichrist. Fear, hatred, antipathy and exclusivity - are all examples of this type of force. Cooperation, Forgiveness, Compassion and the Will-to-Good/Goodwill ... are those qualities which are of the Christ and which can & will OVERCOME the antichrist when developed both within the individual, and within the Group - and within collective Humanity.
Perhaps this is not clear. But I fail to see how we could state it any more directly. Not a person, but rather, human attitudes, and the spirit of resistance to the princples of the New Era (of the Aquarian Christ) ... THIS is antichrist.
And as for a quick note about Benjamin Creme and Share International, as pertinent to the OP from Pico ... NEITHER of these represents IN ANY FORM OR FASHION the antichrist. Creme is a disciple or a world server of a certain status, and is most certainly someone guided by and acting according to the spirit of Christ and the Masters. IMHO, he is certainly not "the official spokeperson for" the Christ, or any of that - and in this respect, he is somewhat entangled in the glamours and illusion that affect all world disciples along the Way. We know that Christ needs no spokesperson, so anyone setting him or herself up as such - has already given us the indication we need to be wary. BUT - Creme plays an important and valuable role, inasmuch as he helps to familiarize the intelligent, thinking public with the fact that Christ and the Masters do exist, that their return is imminent, and that They come according to the Divine Plan ... FOR ALL. In this, Creme and Share International (and numerous other groups stemming from the tradition of Alice Bailey) do us all a Service ... and for that, we should be grateful!
Love and Light,
taijasi
Quahom1 said:Well that is fine. You stick to your secular interpretations, and I suppose Christians will stick with their biblical interpretations. As for me I have my own thoughts.![]()
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Anyone heard of this guy before? Share International on the Reappearence of Maitreya the World Teacher
Seems like a good candidate for the Antichrist to me.
all hail! The antichrist.......
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