Which comes first???

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by christine.P, Aug 9, 2006.

  1. christine.P

    christine.P Bowlacy

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    A friend asked me a three-pronged question the other evening, which I
    Found quite interesting...


    Which comes first...?

    a) Is being spiritual something we recall; or: is it something we
    Learn as we travel through life?

    b) Is our purpose here, just to experience - and not learn?

    c) If we 'are' here to learn; then 'who' - is doing the teaching?

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    By way of formulating and thus providing some kind of answer, many
    (Having been asked such a question) might search the avenues of their
    Minds for information that had been gleaned from various studies, made
    Throughout the period of their Spiritual growth... OK - nothing wrong
    With that; and no doubt: an answer would be forthcoming...

    But are such answers (derived from the works or scriptures of others)
    Totally relevant...

    When one looks at the deities and hierarchy associated with the faiths
    And religions of the world, how many had, or used, reference books (or
    The works of others) to formulate, teach, preach and give guidance
    On matters pertaining to life's reason and purpose...

    Jesus for instance carried no books or the like... That which he
    Spoke of; came from within - that which was instinctively known...

    Thus was the method I used (and always use) to formulate my answer(s) -
    For I have never studied or read any accepted scriptures, other than
    The Bible, which I was taught to read as a child...

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    a) Is being spiritual something we recall; or: is it something we
    Learn as we travel through life?

    I'd say, it could be a bit of both... We are here to discover, and
    Refine, our Spirituality, which we slowly develop as we travel through
    life... Much (such as key factors) are made aware to us as we move
    forward... This is complimented by that which we've accomplished and
    Accumulated from this and former lives - what you might call compact
    Information, that slowly unfolds as we become more aware, with the
    Development of consciousness...

    b) Is our purpose here just to experience - and not learn?

    I believe we are here to experience and to learn, for no one can learn
    Without experience, and no one can undergo an experience, without
    Learning something from it...

    c) If we 'are' here to learn; then 'who' - is doing the teaching?

    I see no teacher(s) - just a slow unfolding of the contents of the
    Soul: which is conveyed to us, by the Spirit: as and when we are able
    To understand, realise its reason and worth - and are able to live
    Such...

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    May I ask those who take time to read my words, to set aside all that?
    Which they have acquired from studying the written word and the works
    Of others and search within their hearts and minds, for similar answers
    To those I provided...

    Use only that, which you yourself know, or feel; is right - as would
    Those deities of past times...

    As would a blind person develop a sixth sense to replace sight - use
    Your perception to provide an answer to the above questions...

    Your interest and considerations would be greatly appreciated...

    In respect and peace...

    Christine P
     
  2. Jaiket

    Jaiket Token Atheist

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    Hi Christine, my honest feelings in regrads to your questions;

    a) Is being spiritual something we recall; or: is it something we

    Learn as we travel through life?

    I don't know what being spiritual entails. Spirituality is a word I see often and a word people often use to describe experiences, sensation, actions, belief and so on. When people do this they are assigning a word that I can't seem to assimilate. So if someone describes their encounter with Jill as being 'very spiritual', I can comprehend nothing more than 'I had an encounter with Jane.'

    I suspect that, like religion (which I think I also have no capacity for), there are innate tendencies in humans to 'be spiritual' and that it can be cultivated to an extent. So I suppose I agree in a sense that we learn and recall how to be spiritual in some measure. Although I have no idea what tha actually means.


    b) Is our purpose here, just to experience - and not learn?

    I don't see purpose unless I make purpose. I don't believe I have a 'purposer' beyond me, and I didn't put me here...to my knowledge.


    c) If we 'are' here to learn; then 'who' - is doing the teaching?

    I don't think we are here to learn. If I'm wrong, I have no idea who is doing the teaching.


    By the way, nice font and layout. It was pleasing to read. :)
     
  3. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    a) Is being spiritual something we recall; or: is it something we
    Learn as we travel through life?

    hmmmm, how about something I recall while learning and traveling through life... it is interesting how with many it is environmental, if not genetic, ie they get it from their parents.

    b) Is our purpose here, just to experience - and not learn?

    I think to learn. One of my thoughts is it is like when a parent tells their child they can't have any more toys till they learn to play with the ones they have. We've been provided this big blue ball, a vehicle which walks and talks, and other humans to interact with, and until we can learn to take care of all three we keep coming back....no new toys until we master the ones we've been given.

    c) If we 'are' here to learn; then 'who' - is doing the teaching?

    that wall I just ran into, that person I just made cry, the mugger in the alley, my children, my parents, each and every person, place, thing and situation I encounter... the question is when do we start deciding to learn from the experiences?
     
  4. China Cat Sunflower

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    I don't know that there is some larger purpose to being "here". I don't know that there isn't, I just don't know. If I suddenly found myself in Disneyland without knowing how I got there would my purpose for being there be to enjoy myself? I mean, that's the obvious activity, but is there some purpose connected with it or is it just one of the possible ways to make the most of the experience? Learning is an essential activity if one is to ever get up off all fours and walk around, and I think we make the most of the experience here by becoming fascinated with that experience, but I don't know if there's some larger reason for it or not. I didn't ask to come here, or if I did I don't recall it.

    Who is the teacher? Well, I guess everything and everyone, but I'm the one who has to ask the questions and pay attention, although...learning experiences seem to be part of a flow thing that I'm not entirely in control of. Things just kinda work out where the next lesson comes along at just the right time (in retrospect). I don't know exactly why that is but it seems to work.

    Chris
     
  5. flowperson

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    Chris:

    You 'da man !

    flow....:p
     
  6. China Cat Sunflower

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    Oh, as an afterthought: It seems to me that as we get older we sorta trade learning for reinforcing. I think we get saturated with information and sense input, we construct our mental world in a way that suits our sensibilities and needs, and then we spend most of the rest of our lives reinforcing and securing our mental and emotional boundries, our world view if you will. I find that in order to keep on really learning I've got to simultaneously shred and dump old stuff on the other end, otherwise there's no room to expand.

    It's kinda like a clost that you have to keep getting rid of things from if there's to be any room for new stuff. I want to create a situation where I always have extra room just in case something really cool shows up. To that end I try to embrace a modicum of frugality and moderation. Not because some moral or ethical thing, but I just want to pack light and run lean to maximize the potential for raw learning and adventures in consciousness.

    Chris

    Chris
     

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