Consider these words of Q:
"Everything has order. Order can only come from an orderly something. If anything is left to its own devices, the natural "order" of things is the Entropy effect. That is, to break down to the most basic simple state. But that does not happen. Everything repairs itself (or tries to). Why? That is not a natural state of being. What is keeping it all together?"
It contains the words: "IF anything is left to its own devices...."
This 'natural order of which you speak seems to deny the observations any of us can make... Where is the 'order' in an unexpected vehicle crashing into mine? Where is the order in the chaos of a Tsunami swamping the land and causing thousands of deaths? Where is the order in the gradual rundown apparent in all living creatures as they age? Where is the order in you maybe winning the lottery this week?
A human body will only repair itself under certain conditions, at other times it needs external help from surgeons and medics.
If you are looking for some universal priniciple of 'order', could you please tell us where to look?
Is there 'order' in your free choice to answer this Post or not?
If there was a universal concept of 'order' observable it would seem there would be no free will, no choices to be made.
Even mathematics abstractly now considers a possible state of 'disorder' or Chaos as a main possible principle.
You say, Q, that nothing is lost to chaos.... do you really think that?
I cannot fault the Thread post here by DrewJMore... it is reasonably and coolly presented and your argument seems affected by affective prejudgements concerning entropy.... If you have 'order' and wish to define 'order', you have to consider the converse - 'disorder' and chaos - in human experiences as well as in the sciences... for disorder is immediately apparent in most human social dealings and the apparent randomness of natural events, like you tripping and breaking a leg or falling down an unforseen hole or catching an incurable disease through no fault of your own.
There may well be unknown causes for these effects as some part of a grand design or 'order', but a grand design needs a grand designer, and there is no objective evidence of such a being'entity' beyond the heart and soul of an affirmer and believer when they validate it for themselves.
Good evening Blue, and Drew.
I fault neither of you for your thoughts on this matter either.
You bring up interesting challenges. I will attempt corrallaries to drive my point.
1. If you left your house, and left everything as is, but walked away from it, never to return, what would eventually happen? I submit nature would begin to take its course, and break your house down. The weather would begin to affect the paint, wood and brick. Inside the dust in the air would begin to settle, the fabrics of your furniture and walls would begin to go stale, mildew would proliferate. The dust on the surfaces would absorb the moisture from the materials they cover. Dry rot begins. Slow oxydation begins. In short, your house would begin to fall apart after time. Within 100 maybe 200 years, your house would be a hulking shell of its former self.
But tell me, what stops this from occuring? You. You live there, and you make adjustments. You repair, you clean, you improve. Without you, however, there would be nothing in time but a pile of rot, breaking down into its most basic elements.
The universe should do exactly the same thing. I can not maintain order on its own, because natural law does not allow it. Natural order of things wants everything simple, basic.
2. Life itself defies the natural order of things. The human body dies every day, and decomposes. But Life fights it by rebuilding, and cleaning away the broken down waste products.
Atoms want to fly apart by their nature. Electrons will disperse into the cosmos, while the nucleas tries to repel against its like parts and neutral parts. However, the electrons can not ignore the attraction to the protons, and the protons and neutrons can not break free of this "glue" that holds the nucleas together. And science still can not explain what this "nucleaic glue" is. It is not natural that protons remain locked together in a core. By nature they are repelled by eachother, yet everything is made up of this "un natural" bit of material.
3. Even in death, parts of the human body will continue to function The heart will struggle to beat even if blown apart. Fingernails and hair folicles will grow until the nutrients are gone. Man's ability to hear is the last sense to end during death. The brain will live on until there is no more oxygen or nutrients going to it, then it will continue until it exhausts what it actually contains. Life, continues to strive to maintain, even when the materials used to contain it fail.
4. Someone striking your vehicle from behind is not an accident. Oh we call it that, but the truth is they weren't paying attention, or they misjudged, or they overestimated their control over road conditions and the car and their trajectory/velocity. That is the absolute truth. They did not have control of their vehicle, because they let go of it.
5. We know beyond the shadow of a doubt that living on the coasts or in the shadow of a volcano, or a mountain subject to heavy snow is inherently dangerous. Yet we choose to live there anyway. We know the tectonic plate shift all the time, we know volcanoes are vents for pressure deep in the earth. We know living in flat lands or plateaus leave us subject to predictable wind conditions that can flare up and anytime. Yet, we stay and take our chances.
6. Our body according to scientists, is designed to function in a healthy fashion for about 120 years (based on our metabolism). This of course is subject to what we take into our bodies, or have affecting our bodies. In a best case scenario, of clean environment and healthy living, we also know that there is a "clock" in our DNA that goes off at a particular point in the body's existence that tell our system to stop growing, and just maintain repairing the body. That clock goes off again at a later point, telling the cells of our body to begin a gradual break down of cellular regeneration. It allows for the next generation of our kind to proliferate the earth, without our crowding it.
7. Is there free choice in my choosing to answer this post or not? What do you think dear Blue? I'm not the one searching for the particular answers you are searching for. I'm just sorry I don't have the answers you seek, or can't put them in a way that you can accept. I'm not even certain that I am capable of answering your questions.
8. Free will is the ultimate equalizer Blue. More importantly, "Shear Will" is the driving force that holds back the Entropy Effect. Whether or not it is our Shear Will, or that of something greater, is a question you must answer privately.
9. By its very nature, mathematics cannot not be random or disorderly. Whoever told you that is, mistaken. I can give you a thousand examples of what happens when math becomes random, and loses cohesive logic...and all end up in chaos, or a failed equation, if you will. Which means the failed formula is meaningless garbage. Heh, he, even the Heisenberg principle has logic behind it. And it is not founded in the chaotic.
10. Finally, yes Blue I believe that nothing is lost to chaos, unless we choose to be lost to it...but then, even that has a sense of order...