the islamic god, and the christian God are not the same, what do you think?

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  1. ardenz

    ardenz New Member

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    Culture, land, power and religion ! Yes it is sometimes difficult to step outside ones own culture and religion especially if traditions go back far enough. It is very glib to say "when we all believe in the same God, why the disputes " when history and tradition go deeper. I often think places have memories.

    Colonialism has a lot to answer for, breaking up traditional boundaries, making borders for convenience.

    I must get around to reading Nostradamus properly

    cheers,

    Ardenz
     
  2. Tao_Equus

    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    Duh!!
     
  3. Tao_Equus

    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    Such logic!! Ever considered a career in politics??

    (nice post) :)
     
  4. ardenz

    ardenz New Member

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    G-d !....so thats how it works...:eek::confused:
     
  5. cyberpi

    cyberpi Interfaith Forums

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    False... I disagree.

    True... I agree.
     
  6. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    Hi Q

    That was sort of my point, as a westerner, other than the issues of Islamic terrorism, I was taught that the Middle East is a place of mystery, amazing art, science and people with dignity and pride (although strange toilet habits :D). I was never taught to hate the arabs (hell I wouldn't have married one if that was the case). However, they are taught from the aspect of religion that the west intentionally tries to corrupt their life to weaken the Ummah and from a historical point of view (certainly in the past 50-60 years) that the west is trying to take control of the middle east and control it through keeping it divided (I have to agree there may be a little truth there). I have to say Ms Rice didn't help last year when she referred to "the new middle east" a number of times. This simply fuelled the fears of the common people, that the west really did have a secret agenda against them and of course this added strength to the extreme clerics arguments here. Not a good move.

    To my simple mind, the mid east is always seen in terms of its prominent religion, Islam, as the west is seen in terms of Christianity. This inevitably ties religion into any political decision. These issues tend, I feel, to increase the distance between the Abrahamic religions. Lets be honest here, you can't win an american election without the Christian vote and you can't hold power in the mid east without the Muslim support. It's all a big game to these guys and unfortunately they seem to be making G-d the loser. :(:mad:

    Not sure I entirely agree with you there. The Quran is more chilling in terms of the vivid descriptions of Hell. The description of the End of Days I feel is very similar in all cases - plagues, wars, religions broken into unagreeing factions, natural disasters, etc, etc and Nostradamus describes, in his own unusual way, these events. He was after all a devout Catholic so his view of the End of Days came from the Christian teachings of the times. Many of his predictions are already here, change in sexual attitudes, the religious leaders falling to greed, more natural disasters, etc, etc.

    So if we look at Quatrain C IX - 55

    The horrible war which is being prepared in the West
    The following year will come the pestilence
    So very horrible that young, old, nor beast
    Blood, fire Mercury, Mars, Jupiter in France

    These planets are due to next align in 2009 and again in 2011.

    I found this re the Christian view of the End of Days:

    "While some believe the prediction of dates or times is futile, many believe that Jesus foretold of signs which would indicate that the "end of days" was near. Some of these signs include natural disasters, civil problems, and other catastrophes. Of the precise time, however, it will come like a "thief in the night."

    Doesn't sound unlike the Quran to me. :)

    Salaam
     
  7. Snoopy

    Snoopy Active Member

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    I have! My ability to maintain a high level of arse-talk is unsurpassed!:D

    <wonders about delay caused by naughty word>

    s.
     
  8. Snoopy

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    I love the intellectual cut-and-thrust of this place!:)

    s.
     
  9. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Well ok, but does not the Qu'ran state that two thirds of the faithful will perish (whether devout believers or not)? I prescribe that it does. Even the good will die, as a result of the end times. :eek:

    I know alot of Arab Muslims who have left the area, for western places of solace and protection (for their families), as a result of such prophetic scripture (and the reality of conditions at home). I know of a man who attempted to go back home to Lebanon, only to come back and state "my home is no more...America is now my home". He wasn't at all happy about it, but recognized the reality of things.

    He told me the end was near, and the middle east was no place to be when the end comes.

    (he misses his childhood home).

    v/r

    Q
     
  10. cyberpi

    cyberpi Interfaith Forums

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    Have you ever truly felt intellectually scarred by anything that you have chosen to read?
     
  11. Snoopy

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    Not yet but I live in hope. Reading that Thatcher intended going on and on came close I think.

    s.
     
  12. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    I know the question wasn't for me but the answer is yes I think I have or perhaps it was just deeply saddened?
     

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