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shadowman
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but if the thing we are believing in is in the position to make us feel like we will be sorry if we dont beleive in him(many people msulims and chrisitans think its better to be safe, and believe), then is it good and worthy of belief?
why is it even considered normal to even debate whether things that have to be believed in to be believed in should be believed in?
imagine that there is nothing to fear. its kind of impossible to imagine because to truly beleive there is nothing to fear, we would have to imagine that it doesnt matter if anything bad happens to us, but try hard. im not saying its a good goal to beleive that it doesnt matter if anything bad happens to us, but thinking about things like this helps us realize what fear is, and why we fear things...
then one by one look at what systems we have that are in a position to be feared, and why.
and in what stuations are they to be feared.
humans have the possiblity to do anything, so they can be feared if they have the possiblity to do something bad to us.
sin in us can be feared because it corrupts us or makes us not good, or makes us something that we think should be feared.
sin in others can be feared because it can make us into something we dont think is good, or it can harm us.
evil can be feared for similar reasons.
I seperate evil and sin because they are defined differently.
evil could be argued to be totally relative, but lets say that evil is something that harms or wants to harm humans.
lets say sin is something that god doesnt like.
in many ways of thinking about the two terms, they line up.
but in a few ways of thinking they dont. (actually in both cases the possiblities of thinking are infinite i guess)
for example
punching someone or yelling at someone is both evil and sinful in most cases.
but sex could be seen as sinful (and therefore evil)
or as an act of affection, assuming that god doesnt think its evil.
belief in things dont usually matter on some grand "moral" scale, but to a god, its many times a sin to not believe in something.
it depends on what we define as bad, and what we define as things to be feared and why.
god is fearable because we have defined him to be so.
this is why I Said imagine there is nothing to fear, seriosuly try and imagine.
then you will see how much fear god and his interaction in our world (or his world) causes.
its fine for god to hurt us, and its fine for it to be his world and not ours, and its fine if god wants to get all the glory and praise, and its fine if he wants to make things uncomfortable for us if we disagree with him or do sometihng he doesnt like.
why is it fine? becuase in many definitions of god, hes the one that matters and we dont!
so if thats how things are then its fine because thats how things are and theres nothing we can do about it.
its fine for god, and its fine for everything, because we dont matter. and that changes thought processes.
something like this god could obviosuly be feared.
but its not good. at least not in the definition where good means "nothing bad happens to us"
in a definition where good is defined by what god does and wills, then its ok for us to fear god, and be hurt by him, because in those rules, we deserve it, and theres nothing we can do about it.
again
things that cause fear for us are usually not good for us, unless definitions are being radically shifted under our noses.
and Im thinking that this is what religions do in many cases.
why is it even considered normal to even debate whether things that have to be believed in to be believed in should be believed in?
imagine that there is nothing to fear. its kind of impossible to imagine because to truly beleive there is nothing to fear, we would have to imagine that it doesnt matter if anything bad happens to us, but try hard. im not saying its a good goal to beleive that it doesnt matter if anything bad happens to us, but thinking about things like this helps us realize what fear is, and why we fear things...
then one by one look at what systems we have that are in a position to be feared, and why.
and in what stuations are they to be feared.
humans have the possiblity to do anything, so they can be feared if they have the possiblity to do something bad to us.
sin in us can be feared because it corrupts us or makes us not good, or makes us something that we think should be feared.
sin in others can be feared because it can make us into something we dont think is good, or it can harm us.
evil can be feared for similar reasons.
I seperate evil and sin because they are defined differently.
evil could be argued to be totally relative, but lets say that evil is something that harms or wants to harm humans.
lets say sin is something that god doesnt like.
in many ways of thinking about the two terms, they line up.
but in a few ways of thinking they dont. (actually in both cases the possiblities of thinking are infinite i guess)
for example
punching someone or yelling at someone is both evil and sinful in most cases.
but sex could be seen as sinful (and therefore evil)
or as an act of affection, assuming that god doesnt think its evil.
belief in things dont usually matter on some grand "moral" scale, but to a god, its many times a sin to not believe in something.
it depends on what we define as bad, and what we define as things to be feared and why.
god is fearable because we have defined him to be so.
this is why I Said imagine there is nothing to fear, seriosuly try and imagine.
then you will see how much fear god and his interaction in our world (or his world) causes.
its fine for god to hurt us, and its fine for it to be his world and not ours, and its fine if god wants to get all the glory and praise, and its fine if he wants to make things uncomfortable for us if we disagree with him or do sometihng he doesnt like.
why is it fine? becuase in many definitions of god, hes the one that matters and we dont!
so if thats how things are then its fine because thats how things are and theres nothing we can do about it.
its fine for god, and its fine for everything, because we dont matter. and that changes thought processes.
something like this god could obviosuly be feared.
but its not good. at least not in the definition where good means "nothing bad happens to us"
in a definition where good is defined by what god does and wills, then its ok for us to fear god, and be hurt by him, because in those rules, we deserve it, and theres nothing we can do about it.
again
things that cause fear for us are usually not good for us, unless definitions are being radically shifted under our noses.
and Im thinking that this is what religions do in many cases.
So, if we're going to imagine "God" demonstrating various human attributes, I'd imagine something greater than humanity is typically capable of. take care, earl