Golden Compass

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Paladin, Dec 8, 2007.

  1. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    very true indeed , learning about all of the perverted ideology and false teachings is the thing to do , then they will see the difference between true worship and false , then they can make their own mind up as to what is good and what is bad. the problem seems to be that many children are only given wrong thoughts about God , and they are never taught the truth of the true God PSALM 83;18 its always one sided . and then they become twisted in their thoughts and actions. i am glad to say that Jehovahs witnesses teach their children about the truth of the bible and then they can make up their own minds as to what is good and what is bad. but many out there only ever see a twisted one sided way . now that is really locking their minds up
     
  2. Tao_Equus

    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    So what does the watchtower teach about Islam, Judaism, Taoism, The Dreamtime? Nothing? Your organisation condemns the vast majority of the world population and claims special insight based on that already proven to be a false set of conclusions. It is said that poor Russell was so beaten by being wrong about 1914 that he became dispirited and inconsolable to the point he died from it a year later.
    You remind me of a travelling insurance salesman that once visited my home in the highlands trying to sell me his product. No matter what I said or did to make him welcome as a guest in my home he could not switch off his salesman training. There was no "personality" beyond the seller. It lost him the sale, despite me liking the product. Sadly you dont have a product that remotely interests me :p

    Tao
     
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    Boy-girl movie?: Many people dying slowly, some explosions, okay special effects, piano music remixed to up-beat technoooooooo!
     
  4. Popeyesays

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    The movie is NOT the whole first book, it does not even end in the same place. Lyra is indeed bringing her father what "he needs" but what he needs is actually to separate Lyra's friend from his daemon. Just the very act of corruption which Lyra ascaped so narrowly.

    Also anyone can hear the voice of anyone's daemon. Not the case in the books, the voice of one's daemon cannot be heard by anyone else, because it is one's "soul".

    I enjoyed the movie, I would have enjoyed a better focus on the book.

    Regards,

    Scott
     
  5. Ciel

    Ciel in essence

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    Or this............YouTube - Rhapsody in Blue :)

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  6. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    No idea about film, book whatever, but saw this for the Xbox 360... The game looks crap. :D
     
  8. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    many from all nations have taken up the offer of everlasting life from the bible ,and here they are spoken of in REVELATION 7;9-10


    and they have all taken up their symbolic palm branches.


    After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”REVELATION 7;9-10

    but first they responded to the words of Jesus in john 17;3

    This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. John 17;3


    but not everyone responds , i did ,thats why i am waving my symbolic palm branch to welcome the reigning king(JESUS CHRIST) and the one on the throne who gave it to him(JEHOVAH):)
     
  9. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    many people say many things , but not always according to accurate knowledge . i am glad to say that the 1914 date was spot on and bang on time according to bible prophecy and chronology.



    but the understanding back in those days was not as bright as it is now , the light has got brighter and clearer , and now in the last days accurate knowledge is abundant indeed. Daniel 12;4 Jehovah reveals things at his own time and in his own way, but remaining faithful will lead to many blessings indeed. and it certainly has for Gods people .


    “Light itself has flashed up for the righteous one, and rejoicing even for the ones upright in heart.”—Ps. 97:11.



    “For, look! darkness itself will cover the earth, and thick gloom the national groups; but upon you Jehovah will shine forth, and upon you his own glory will be seen.”—Isa. 60:2.
     
  10. Tao_Equus

    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    Poppycock!!

    Revelations is a crazy hallucinogenic havering. Like Nostradamus it can be made to say anything. But you just cannot see the "simple" truth of it.

    Tao
     
  11. Popeyesays

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    The real message of Reveloations is that victory comes in perseverance, that God must be trusted to bring it right in the end.

    It was a pep talk aimed at the disillusioned church of the day and age.

    Regards.
    Scott
     
  12. Tao_Equus

    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    Lol, if that was a "pep talk" then it just goes to show that the foundations of the church are sick and diseased. As I understand it linguistic study of the texts reveals there to be at least 2 authors, possibly even 3 or 4. I have no doubt it was constructed as a political tool, a device that could be interpreted and reinterpreted to suit the justification of any atrocity. And there were countless.
    And in the modern era, any old schizophrenic or mad delusional will do exactly the same. At least they have the excuse of being not of sound mind. But that the churches have not collectively seen fit to banish such rambling crap from the bible shows that the church remains what it always was...a power base much less interested in its peoples welfare than in the filthy lucre it can extract from them.

    Tao
     
  13. Popeyesays

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    The autho9r of the Revelation makes it clear over and over that he is speaking of events and persons of his own time. So those who wish to uswe it justify dark delusions are at fault for all you mention, Tao.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  14. path_of_one

    path_of_one Embracing the Mystery

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    Well, I went to see the movie. I can't resist fantasy of any kind. My take: it was OK. Some good special effects and I liked the talking animals. But it just wasn't that stellar of a story. There was nothing... new about it. The concept of "demons" (animal spirits in which the soul resides) is not much different from the concept of having a familiar. Then you have talking bears, witches, gypsy/pirate folk, and dust (which basically was a simplified version of many worlds theory and strings). The Golden Compass reminded me of the first Tomb Raider thingie that the Illuminati were after. In fact, the Magisterium reminded me of the Illuminati too.

    It didn't seem very anti-Catholic. More like anti-authority and anti-institution. Which is great and fine, but not that exciting.

    Maybe the books are much better? (Someone please tell me if they are.)

    There just wasn't any of the depth- to the characters or to the world or to the plot- that Tolkein and Lewis have. It didn't approach other series that haven't been made into movies, like Donaldson or Goodkind. At any rate, a nice bit of entertainment, but not life changing. I can't imagine how it would challenge a Christian's faith, either, but maybe the books were more explicit. My main thing I took away was a wish that we all had furry friends following us around. LOL I'm an animal lover and I couldn't help but think it'd be awfully fun to have an animal companion at work. :D
     
  15. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi Path_of_one —

    According to an interview with the author I read, he got the idea from 'Old Master' portraits which depicted the subject with a favourite pet.

    I know. The point was he used a very 'Catholic' term — Magisterium — and as it was a church, then the parallel is obvious, hence the rather unneccesary uproar. Again I think this is more media manipulation than anything else.

    The main protagonist being a young girl — something Pulman repeats elsewhere — pleased my partner and daughter. I think the first is better than the second, and the second better than the third.

    Agreed.

    I don't think so ... I think the 'challenge to faith' is a bit of a misnomer. I think the real issue for conscious Christians is the constant portrayal of Christianity in a negative light. I can't remember the last time I saw a Christian, let alone a priest, being the good guy ... it's an acceptable social stereotype, nowadays, the dog-collar becoming the sign of something wrong.

    It doesn't appear as the author has any issue with Catholicism, her just doesn't believe. His grandfather was an Aglican vicar, and he had quite a well-heeled upbringinging, so no deep-rooted trauma to work through. To me it was a sign of a lack of imagination, which I think cost the books in the long run ... he had worked out his villains 'locally', but not in depth.

    There's a lovely story from Sir Alec Guiness about his conversion to Catholicism. He was filming the 'Father Brown' stories in France, and used to walk the couple of k. from the film set to the house he had rented in his clerical garb. One day he met a schoolchild on the way home, and the child, assuming him to be a priest, fell in step, held his hand, and chatted away in a stream of French that sir Alec cound not comprehend. Sir Alc said he was so moved by the implicit trust of the child ... in a world full of suspicion ... it made him wonder, and set him thinking...

    Anyway ... ther book is better than the film, but don't expect too much.

    Thomas
     
  16. Taosaur

    Taosaur buddho-shamanic

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    I won't be seeing the movie because of all the mediocre reviews. The consensus seems to be, "There's a controversy over this?"
     

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