That's what I'm talking about. Omnipresence. Like my little toe is part of me, I am part of G!d. As you can't seperate the wave from the ocean we can't seperate humanity from G!d. We and the Father are one. Today, no waiting for heaven, just understanding.thomas from another thread said:
No, he was referring to the demi gods (the fallen) who had conveniently placed themselves in positions of godlike power over the neighbors of the Hebrews. Hence the point "gods" as in little gods, above man but below the supreme being, created not omnipresent, omniscient, nor omnipotent.
It sure doesn't look like Jesus is referring to any demigods...looks like to me he is referring to the prophets. And you think Jacob was wrestling a demigod at the river? Interesting interpretation.
Of course right now it is just my little opinion, and on the low to high scale my opinion impacts very few while the opinion of religious authorities or traditions currently impacts very many; but soon the impacts of each will be the same. It is because "Every valley will be raised up, every mountain and hill made low," because "The wisdom of the wise will perish," and because it is human wisdom that says a tradition could preserve truth, righteousness, love, or wisdom. In my tiny opinion (which represents the valley) it is God's intent to publicly repudiate this wisdom (representing the mountains). Perhaps this is what really bothered people most people about John the Baptist's preaching, and why he was persecuted. Anyway, it doesn't matter if some religious authorities insist upon trinity, especially now that their opinion is being brought down and made equal with any common man's.Thomas said:
uh, Jesus also spoke of the Saints...remember? So your opinion will refute his statement of apparent fact? I seriously have doubts about that.
While there are many interpretations of Jacob's wrestling match, I've just never heard of the demigod one. I think he was wrestling with himself, it was an argument in his mind.
But that is God's not ours ... and it is obvious that God's omnipresence does not preserve man from evil, or pursuing the path of his own extinction.
No. That's metaphysically and philosophically unsound. In a Christian sense you once again confuse nature and grace and claim as your by right what is given as a gift ... pride again ... your toe is part of your human nature. God is not part of human nature.
See above. You can't separate the wave because the 'wave' is just a movement of the 'ocean' — but humanity is not a property of the Deity.
Well patently not, because if that were so we would be fully conscious in the Beatific Vision ... but as we are still bound by darkness, still this side of the veil, then if you believe what you say, you have a very low expectation of heaven.
Reinterpretting is what we do well. Hence the ability for the your denomination to reinterpret the commandment regarding idols, kissing medals and statues etc.
Q said:
The bible is specific, it says man, yet no one else was there, this is Jacob's story and he says the man says he struggled with G!d and won and got a name change for it. He also then claims to have seen G!d face to face.Q said:
Now you first tell me demigod, not much more than a man, then angel of G!d, I don't know the bible version you are using. I still say the struggle was a metaphor, an internal struggle for his own nature and understanding, and after overcoming it he was a changed man...a new name.
lol, I picture you reading my posts and holding your fingers in a cross. "You are not Christian, blasphemer." Well, I follow my teacher, my elder brother and wayshower Jesus the Christ. I just can't figure out what the heck omnipresent means to you? To me it is everywhere present. I'm present, indicating either I'm in G!d or G!d is in me, and my fingernail, and the tree, and the ocean wave. Everywhere doesn't mean other than this world...look neither high or low, the kingdom is in your midst brother!
Actually, I'm shaking my head. You don't seem to see the point.
Sadly, I don't think you do, as you exercise the option of selection, which is not following in any real or meaningful sense. You interpret the things He says in a way that suits yourself, and discreetly ignore those things He said which don't suit you.
It does not mean that the presence of God in a person means that the person is God, which is the bit you can't seem to grasp.
I am not attempting to refute statements Jesus made. What do you mean Quahom by mentioning Jesus mentioning saints? Like, what are you referring to?Quahom said:
Because some do well, does not mean all do well. I happen to thinbk thome whom you follow do it very badly.
Not that old saw — looks like you're scrabbling for an argument to me. As that argument was done and dusted generations ago, I won't even bother to rehearse it.
That's because your ideas are founded on error. We don't worship Mary, but then I'm sure you know that ...
