God the Pornographer

[c0de]

You prefer the dictates of a personal God to tell you what to do and just deny your hypocrisy.

... yea Nick, I'm the hypocrite who is using blasphemy
to further my own agenda... I'm the hypocrite who
lied about my intentions about starting this thread...
Im the hypocrite who chose such a title for the thread
to attract attention...

actually you know what, we're all hypocrites...
compared to you... aren't we? Oh Enlightened One?

 

[Nick_A]

there he goes again...

I feel in good company. The "experts" said the same thing about Jesus and Socrates amongst others. I'm not as good as they were to warrant killing but perhaps at some point I could reach such stature. That would require the purity of a Simone and I just don't have it. So I struggle on as best I can.

 

[Nick_A]

... yea Nick, I'm the hypocrite who is using blasphemy
to further my own agenda... I'm the hypocrite who
lied about my intentions about starting this thread...
Im the hypocrite who chose such a title for the thread
to attract attention...

actually you know what, we're all hypocrites...
compared to you... aren't we? Oh Enlightened One?

Hopefully the thread would attract attention in order to further its intent which was to place a contradiction to invite thought out of the box on a question of our reactions that destroy our young. Unfortunately I've learned that secularism furthers making the box more attractive rather then experiencing how it confines the human psych. So thinking out of the box with secular political correctness is actually an unrecognized oxymoron.

Yes, I'm still the hypocritical wretched man which is why I don't warrant killing

 

[c0de]

I feel in good company. The "experts" said the same thing about Jesus and Socrates amongst others. I'm not as good as they were to warrant killing but perhaps at some point I could reach such stature.

holy... crap... he actually said it !!!

I knew you always thought this Nick...

but I never thought you would actually say this out loud...

 

[Nick_A]

holy... crap... he actually said it !!!

I knew you always thought this Nick...

but I never thought you would actually say this out loud...

What is so surprising? Isn't re-birth the purpose of Christianity. Why not strive to reach the level of understanding of such great human beings that warrant killing since the Great Beast cannot tolerate them?

As I said I don't feel capable of this stature but accepting this quality of understanding is a healthy aspiration. I cannot do what Simone describes here so I don't have the impartiality yet to experience the world as is At least I admit my failings which is more then I see coming from you:

"Purity is the power to contemplate defilement" Simone Weil

 

[Nick_A]

So this thread has revealed how easy it is for us to psychologically destroy our young through the loss of the ability to impartially reason in favor of societal politically correct dictates.

For the fundamentalist that assert the body as evil and pornographic then God is a pornographer. This is only logical. But for those that do not believe the body to be pornographic, how to deal with the problem of pornography as a man made psychological condition and with its destructive effects?

This thread suggests that we cannot. We've become such victims to superficial political correctness that anything that requires thinking out of the box is labeled as good or bad. All accusations, and condemnations ensue and the only ones that suffer are the kids that need a guidance we are incapable of since our capacity for reason has become so corrupted.

Lacking the freedom to reason out of the box we've allowed society to adopt this function for us and condemn that which begins to awaken to the human condition. In short it means that since parents no longer understand sex and the body, they cannot relate it to the young in a meaningful manner so they rebel as they should and we get situations like sextexting.

As usual Simone is far ahead of her time since she understood the horrors of allowing the state to replace the striving for inner morality

Simone Weil On Society and Solitude - Articles - House of Solitude - Hermitary

Never has the individual been so completely delivered up to a blind collectivity, and never have men been so less capable, not only of subordinating their actions to their thoughts, but even of thinking.

As usual, hitting the nail on the head. God the Pornographer" How does that appear. we live by appearance. Slay the dragon. The dragon defies being destroyed so all that is harmed is the psych of a kid since we've sacrificed out ability to reason out of the box to the god of political Correctness and the right arm of the Beast.. The Great Beast smiles his approval. Speaking of the Beast"

In an aphorism of "The Great Beast," Weil begins the transition from analyzing society to discovering a solution or antidote. Here her thoughts hearken to anthropological thinking circulating in the early twentieth century, which maintained that society is a project of individual relationships, a projection given life and meaning separate from those relationships, a projection to which power and thought and authority is renounced. This is not a renunciation to the fictional cooperative called "society" but to individuals as authorities, who then contrive the symbols, ploys, and coercive social structures. Anthropology called these "totems"--Weil does not use the term--which define God, religion, and the norms of society via the power of institutions to interpret and sanction.
According to Weil, the person's accession to society, the individual's renunciation of values to the collective as defined by a small group, is based on ignorance and fear, fear that without society (which is to say the state), people will collapse into crime and evil. The social and collective is seen as transcending individuals, as a supernatural entity from which nationalism and war is as normal as science, progress, and consumption. All of these evils are taking place simultaneously in a social context. The individual has probably never reflected on these issues at all, never acknowledged his or her degree of complicity in this system. But, say the apologist for the Great Beast, the individual need have no direct responsibility,

The collective is the object of all idolatry, this it is which chains us to the earth. In the case of avarice, gold is the social order. In the case of ambition, power is the social order.
​

Thus society itself is the Great Beast, not some particular product of society, not even the state, the mode of production, the capitalist class, or any other social product. The weight of humanity is a heavy and ponderous gravity, a force but a contrived force to which the individual remains oblivious.
As long as one accepts the "totem," and subordinates all values to the collective, the contrived dichotomy of good and evil will trap individuals in fear. But the solution to the dilemma Weil depicts is not Nietzsche's transcendence of morality but a simple perception of the nature of society, of the nature of the "Great Beast."

This requires us to "know thyself." But since we refuse to do so but are content with imagining ourselves, we remain content within the domination of the "Great Beast."
This acceptance of imagination is of course obvious in the righteous indignation expressed throughout this thread, No thought, no doors but just righteous indignation.

As long as one accepts the "totem," and subordinates all values to the collective, the contrived dichotomy of good and evil will trap individuals in fear. But the solution to the dilemma Weil depicts is not Nietzsche's transcendence of morality but a simple perception of the nature of society, of the nature of the "Great Beast."

Yes, this is our way. But the bottom line is kids suffer through our ignorance and fear. Of course there are exceptions but collectively we've lost the ability to transmit a human understanding in matters of sex and the body and refer only to social and fundamentalist considerations If this thread is any indication, the righteous indignation normal for the politically correct conditioned mentality will be dominant for years to come leading to more unnecessary suffering..
Sad but true. But what else could be expected from willingly living in Plato's cave?.

 

[Dondi]

For the fundamentalist that assert the body as evil and pornographic then God is a pornographer. This is only logical. But for those that do not believe the body to be pornographic, how to deal with the problem of pornography as a man made psychological condition and with its destructive effects?

This thread suggests that we cannot. We've become such victims to superficial political correctness that anything that requires thinking out of the box is labeled as good or bad. All accusations, and condemnations ensue and the only ones that suffer are the kids that need a guidance we are incapable of since our capacity for reason has become so corrupted.

See this is your fundamental flaw. You are supposing that we fundamentalists believe that the body is inherently evil and pornagraphic. This is where you are wrong. Everything God created is good. Our bodies are to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit. We are taught in I Corinthians 6:18-20:

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."


We are to glorify God in our bodies. If the body is evil, then the Holy Spirit would not abide in us. We are taught further that we should be led of the Spirit and not of the lusts of the flesh (Galatians 5:16-17). We are told that we must be transformed by the renewing of our mind (Romans 12:1-2). There is a dichonomy going on here. It is a struggle against ourselves to keep ourselves in the Spirit. That's the key to bringing a right-minded attitude resulting in the sense of purity you are talking about.

Getting there is a big problem. Our society is undeterated with images of suggestively sexual content. We as a society lost our sense of decency when it comes to sex. It's all wink, wink, nudge, nudge at every corner. There is scarsely anywhere to get away from it, barring isolation in the home with no TV, no Internet, no contact with the outside world. It's hard to keep impure thought when everywhere you go nowadays, women and men presented in sensual poses in magazines, billboards, and retail displays. You don't need complete nudity to present this image either. And it's these kind of impressions that easily filters down to the teen mind who believe they must emanate those images to become popular.

It's not just a fundamentalist's problem, it a societal one. We have inherited This collective mindset is in our society.

You would have us fundamentalists not to teach our daughters to dress decently that rather they ought to flaunt their bodies in the name of freedom? You think that we oppress their natural course of development if we don't teach them good morals and decency? You think that as parents teaching them good behavior is going to warp their understanding of themselves and their body to the point that will cause them to eventually rebel?

Do I limit my daughters on what they can watch of TV and DVD, where they can surf on the internet, who they can hang out with, how they are chaperoned, etc? You bet. But I also explain to them and they understand the reasonings behind it. I am protecting them from undue influence. Besides, they are being taught biblical standards of decency in their youth groups at church. They aren't missing anything. They are in a group of friends with the same sense of morality as they do, and you know what? They enjoy it immensely. They enjoy life. They have a sense of purpose in a higher calling in God and desire to serve Him. They are not being forced either. If, for instance, I don't feel like going to church one day, they will urge me to go. They will actually complain about not going. How cool is that?

I'm not saying my girls are the epitome of morality, they do have their faults. But I have seen the vast differences in those whose daughters are allowed to run basically free to do what they want and brother let me tell you: I'm glad I don't have the headaches and heartaches that those parents have (some being close relatives of mind who've let their children go far too soon and have paid for it).

I wonder, Mr. Nick A. Do you have any teen daughters of your own? I'm very intersted in how they are turning out in accordance to you philosophy if you do.

 

[iBrian]

Nick A, I can appreciate the argument you were trying to make, but you made it in a sensationalist way that was bound to cause a reaction. I find it hard you found this reaction would not have been to be expected?

 

[Nick_A]

See this is your fundamental flaw. You are supposing that we fundamentalists believe that the body is inherently evil and pornagraphic. This is where you are wrong. Everything God created is good. Our bodies are to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit. We are taught in I Corinthians 6:18-20:

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."


We are to glorify God in our bodies. If the body is evil, then the Holy Spirit would not abide in us. We are taught further that we should be led of the Spirit and not of the lusts of the flesh (Galatians 5:16-17). We are told that we must be transformed by the renewing of our mind (Romans 12:1-2). There is a dichonomy going on here. It is a struggle against ourselves to keep ourselves in the Spirit. That's the key to bringing a right-minded attitude resulting in the sense of purity you are talking about.

Getting there is a big problem. Our society is undeterated with images of suggestively sexual content. We as a society lost our sense of decency when it comes to sex. It's all wink, wink, nudge, nudge at every corner. There is scarsely anywhere to get away from it, barring isolation in the home with no TV, no Internet, no contact with the outside world. It's hard to keep impure thought when everywhere you go nowadays, women and men presented in sensual poses in magazines, billboards, and retail displays. You don't need complete nudity to present this image either. And it's these kind of impressions that easily filters down to the teen mind who believe they must emanate those images to become popular.

It's not just a fundamentalist's problem, it a societal one. We have inherited This collective mindset is in our society.

You would have us fundamentalists not to teach our daughters to dress decently that rather they ought to flaunt their bodies in the name of freedom? You think that we oppress their natural course of development if we don't teach them good morals and decency? You think that as parents teaching them good behavior is going to warp their understanding of themselves and their body to the point that will cause them to eventually rebel?

Do I limit my daughters on what they can watch of TV and DVD, where they can surf on the internet, who they can hang out with, how they are chaperoned, etc? You bet. But I also explain to them and they understand the reasonings behind it. I am protecting them from undue influence. Besides, they are being taught biblical standards of decency in their youth groups at church. They aren't missing anything. They are in a group of friends with the same sense of morality as they do, and you know what? They enjoy it immensely. They enjoy life. They have a sense of purpose in a higher calling in God and desire to serve Him. They are not being forced either. If, for instance, I don't feel like going to church one day, they will urge me to go. They will actually complain about not going. How cool is that?

I'm not saying my girls are the epitome of morality, they do have their faults. But I have seen the vast differences in those whose daughters are allowed to run basically free to do what they want and brother let me tell you: I'm glad I don't have the headaches and heartaches that those parents have (some being close relatives of mind who've let their children go far too soon and have paid for it).

I wonder, Mr. Nick A. Do you have any teen daughters of your own? I'm very intersted in how they are turning out in accordance to you philosophy if you do.

Dondi, You've misunderstood

You must be aware of the concept of "sins of the flesh." Many fundamentalists I know of preach the sins of the flesh and a young person is a bad evil person for giving in to the sins of the flesh. This promotes guilt. This is what I am referring to and what these girls sextexting pictures of themselves to these boys are considered being. The state sees them as child pornographers and fundamentalism considers them guilty of sins of the flesh. Can you imagine an intelligent kid trying to make sense out of this and maintaining respect for such people? How frightening it must be at that age to look for a sensible alternative and just always see the same ignorance but only in different forms

You would have us fundamentalists not to teach our daughters to dress decently that rather they ought to flaunt their bodies in the name of freedom? You think that we oppress their natural course of development if we don't teach them good morals and decency? You think that as parents teaching them good behavior is going to warp their understanding of themselves and their body to the point that will cause them to eventually rebel?

This is your biggest misunderstanding. I don't believe any of the kind but only promoting the ability to put it into a human perspective for the sake of "understanding." All I am saying is that if a kid asks why they should be modest, only a few adults know what to say. You seem to be teaching what to do while my concern is in knowing why. Without such knowledge it easily devolves into all this moral psychological destruction. We don't understand and expect either the church, state, secularism, or psychobabble to speak for us. It never dawns on us that they have no idea either and are just faking it and/or expressing societal concerns. Though modesty is important we don't collectively know objectively why. That is the great danger

The idea is that we have surrendered our capacity for understanding to the morality of one of many forms of the "Great Beast." We defend this sacrifice through expressions of righteous indignation. We cannot think of anything more meaningful to say to a teen girl sextexting then you are "bad" from committing sins of the flesh, or that you are a child pornographer. That just proves to me how far we have sunk and indicates many possible horrors resulting from this secular based ignorance.

You've posted bits and pieces but now for a moment just pretend a young girl has been arrested for sextexting and asks you "What is modesty and why should I take it seriously? Modest people seem so uptight and frigid. I've got a lot of kick in me and I don't want to become an old lady at 18."

Can you answer such a question that doesn't invite a disappointed look from this young teen or have we sunk so low in our capacity for understanding that it is no longer possible?

 

[wil]

You've misunderstood

.... This is what I am referring to and what these girls sextexting pictures of themselves to these boys are considered being.

. Can you imagine an intelligent kid trying to make sense out of this and maintaining respect for such people?

All I am saying is that if a kid asks why they should be modest, only a few adults know what to say.

Do you have children? Do you have a daughter?

I don't think you do, and if you do I'd like you to have them read this thread and tell you what they think of your concepts.

Don't you think there is an issue if a girl thinks it is ok to take her clothes off and text it to someone?

Now I have no issues about nude beaches. And pix with families at beaches I don't consider porn. But if a child takes picture of themselves and send it around you think nobody asked why????

 

[Nick_A]

Nick A, I can appreciate the argument you were trying to make, but you made it in a sensationalist way that was bound to cause a reaction. I find it hard you found this reaction would not have been to be expected?

This is the OP

Between modern sex education and religous fundamentalism making sex something dirty, it amazes me that some kids have not yet gone off the deep end.

'Sexting? surprise: Teens face child porn charges - Today Technology & Money - TODAYshow.com

It is the rage of the day for young kids to take nude pictures of themselves, give them to the opposite sex, and have them posted on the Internet. Of course not knowing how to handle it, the powers that be have said that they are engaging in child pornography. This means that a naked picture of a fourteen year old girl is by definition pornographic. Since this body was designed by God, it makes him a pornographer. As spock would say: fascinating.

This is just basic stuff. I'm sorry but if people have become so much a victim of political correctness that they cannot think out of the box as it pertains to sensitive psychological questions without indulging in blind righteous indignation, it isn't the fault of the question but of our inability to retain an open mind.

Which is better: naive questions that cater to a politically correct mindset or asking people to be more open minded in the face of a challenging question?

 

[Nick_A]

Do you have children? Do you have a daughter?

I don't think you do, and if you do I'd like you to have them read this thread and tell you what they think of your concepts.

Don't you think there is an issue if a girl thinks it is ok to take her clothes off and text it to someone?

Now I have no issues about nude beaches. And pix with families at beaches I don't consider porn. But if a child takes picture of themselves and send it around you think nobody asked why????

Wil, you are not reading or making any effort to understand anything. You are just emoting. It might make you feel good but cannot lead to anything constructive.

 

[wil]

Wil, you are not reading or making any effort to understand anything. You are just emoting. It might make you feel good but cannot lead to anything constructive.

So you have no children.

 

[TheKhan]

So you have no children.

Obviously.. just kidding.

Nick_A, I think your time would be well spent if you would tackle the imbalances in some areas that I think are rooted in Texas.


TK

 

[Saltmeister]

Do I limit my daughters on what they can watch of TV and DVD, where they can surf on the internet, who they can hang out with, how they are chaperoned, etc? You bet. But I also explain to them and they understand the reasonings behind it. I am protecting them from undue influence. Besides, they are being taught biblical standards of decency in their youth groups at church. They aren't missing anything. They are in a group of friends with the same sense of morality as they do, and you know what? They enjoy it immensely. They enjoy life. They have a sense of purpose in a higher calling in God and desire to serve Him. They are not being forced either. If, for instance, I don't feel like going to church one day, they will urge me to go. They will actually complain about not going. How cool is that?

I'm not saying my girls are the epitome of morality, they do have their faults. But I have seen the vast differences in those whose daughters are allowed to run basically free to do what they want and brother let me tell you: I'm glad I don't have the headaches and heartaches that those parents have (some being close relatives of mind who've let their children go far too soon and have paid for it).

I wonder, Mr. Nick A. Do you have any teen daughters of your own? I'm very intersted in how they are turning out in accordance to you philosophy if you do.

My theory with modesty and overt sexual expression in today's society is that it's heavily influenced by the economic system of one's society. Most of us live in a Western, consumer- and market-driven capitalist economy. The thing about consumer- and market-driven capitalism is that it is all about relentless competition at the expense of others. The relentless competition in Western capitalism influences the people in society itself to be relentlessly competitive.

Overt sexual expression is a consequence of narcissism and narcissism itself is a consequence of an economic system that promotes selfishness and self-interest. People living under a consumer- and market-driven capitalist economy are implicitly narcissists because of the way their economy functions. To have a job and a good career, to obtain the highest-paying salaries, you have to compete for a place at the expense of others. To be competitive, you have to have pride. You have to worship yourself. You have to be selfish and arrogant. To do that, you have to be happy and emotionally balanced. You have to be at peace with yourself mentally and emotionally.

Happiness is influenced not only by your own concept of your potential in your career, but what you have. It's a question of the car you drive, the clothes you wear and the house you own.

Telling people to dress modestly, to guard their virginity, to be chaste, to keep sex within the bounds of marriage is difficult under a consumer- and market-driven capitalist economy where employees must compete for a position. To compete, they have to have pride, dignity and self-respect, and to have pride, dignity and self-respect and thus they have to be narcissistic. They have to be selfish and self-interested. They have to worry about the clothes they wear, the car one drives and the house you own. It's about your self-image. It's going to involve a lot of sex and maybe a multitude of extramarital affairs. People have to live this way to be competitive.

People may argue about and fight against immodesty and pornography, but I think they're not dealing with the root cause of the problem. When you see other people enjoying themselves because of what they have, what car they drive, clothes they wear, what looks they have, you will want the same kind of life.

It's very hard to fight that because it makes you employable to live like that. Narcissistic people have more success in getting jobs. People who live the way the economy requires of them are the most successful in life. People choose to be immodest, they choose to indulge in pornography because it enriches their life experience, gives them the passion for life, for their career, and therefore the artistic, creative and imaginative spark to spear-head a career.

People want to be narcissists and they want to be pornographic because it helps their career.

It all revolves around the economy and the military-industrial complex.

Actually, no, let's call it the military-industrial-entertainment complex.

Western countries have the kind of military and political power they have today because the people in their societies are artistic, creative, imaginative and don't suppress their full potential. Western countries have become powerful by being led by narcissists. Narcissism has helped Western businesses succeed, and therefore, Western economies to reach their present size. A strong economy allows a country to invest in weapons research and in the training of a large standing army, and therefore a large military-industrial complex.

Sex, narcissism and pornography, a consequence of a consumer- and market-driven capitalist economy, which promotes selfishness and self-interest, makes your country powerful politically and military.

People should, therefore, be thankful for the benefits that pornography has provided for their society/country in terms of national security.

People may discredit Westerners for being decadent, but look at us! Look how powerful we are! We rule the world!

Suppress pornography, and the United States of America will cease to be a superpower. Don't you guys get it? Your country needs pornography! It's got nothing to do with whether Nick_A has kids.

Think about it. Moral decadence is good for your country. Be a narcissist. Be a pornographer for your country. Think not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Sex, money and military power. This is what drives the world today.

The USA didn't achieve its superpower status by being led by church-goers, but by narcissists. It has little to nothing to do with God, religion or Christianity. It's all about the pornography. Isn't that sexy?

Divorces, extramarital affairs and dirty laundry. It can all be a good thing.

I was being sarcastic.

 

[c0de]

My theory with modesty and overt sexual expression in today's society is that it's heavily influenced by the economic system of one's society. Most of us live in a Western, consumer- and market-driven capitalist economy. The thing about consumer- and market-driven capitalism is that it is all about relentless competition at the expense of others. The relentless competition in Western capitalism influences the people in society itself to be relentlessly competitive.

Overt sexual expression is a consequence of narcissism and narcissism itself is a consequence of an economic system that promotes selfishness and self-interest.

That was a good post salty but you are overlooking something.
This phenomenon has never been exclusive to contemporary society.
Narcissism and economics have been factors throughout history.
These qualities which they produce aren't necessarily "western"
either, nor is their emergence recent, they were always present.

IMO, the only change that is taking place today is the standardization
of the depravity across the globe, via the "military-industrial-
entertainment complex" Which is basically just a technical term
for the Pied Piper of the fairy tales.

 

[Dondi]

You've posted bits and pieces but now for a moment just pretend a young girl has been arrested for sextexting and asks you "What is modesty and why should I take it seriously? Modest people seem so uptight and frigid. I've got a lot of kick in me and I don't want to become an old lady at 18."

Can you answer such a question that doesn't invite a disappointed look from this young teen or have we sunk so low in our capacity for understanding that it is no longer possible?

I understand that young people need to know why they ought to be modest. Just as much as why young people need to be taught manners. They are young, being molded into adults. It has to do with self-respect. I think they can learn how to respect themselves and others without having to resort to this kind of behavior. They are smarter than we think. But sometimes they think they are smarter than we adults are. I'm not saying we ought to have a "do as I say., not as I do" mentality in approaching teens. We ought to be open to their questions as they mature and questions about those changes they are experiencing. We need to educate what's happening to them. But as human nature is, mere learning is not enough to prevent behavior. Kids must be taught discipline. Discipline is not punishment, but rather a method in instilling a sense of order and rightness in their lives. I'm not talking about rigidness of a drill sargent, but discipline tempered by love. They need to understand that every action they do has consequences. They need to recognize what those consequences will cost them.

Let me ask you something. Do you think Vanessa Hughes knew what she was doing when she texted a nude photo of herself to her boyfriend and co-star Zac Efron? Do you think she knew that photo would be spread all over the Internet to be the object of who knows how many twisted fantasies by scores of pedophiles everywhere?

Or did you ever see that commercial that shows a teen girl who plastered some racy pictures of herself on Facebook being taunted by people she doesn't even know at the mall and on the street. The point of the ad is that one needs to watch what one puts up for display aboiut themselves, for everyone is watching.

"...I've got a lot of kick in me and I don't want to become an old lady at 18."

I'm not sure what point you are trying to convey here. You seem to be saying that it's important NOT to be modest in order to enjoy life. As if life will pass them by if they don't try new and exciting things. Well, being pregant is a new and exciting thing, too. Why don't we let them all pregnant at 14, eh? I watched a program not long ago that actually showed girls as young as 12 or 13 wanting to have a baby now. Nevermind how they are going to care for it or who the father is or how they are going to get through school. They just want to have a child now. Where are they getting these ideas. Huh?

I ask you, what is it that these kids are deep down looking for in wanted children so young?

I'd rather see the disappointed look in my daughter's face when I tell not to date until she's finished school than to see her in such a predictament she will woefully regret later. I mean our local high school has a daycare center for crying out loud. You do the math.

 

[Dondi]

I was being sarcastic.

Whew! I'm so glad I caught this, unlike someone I know. I was beginning to worry about you, Salt. I'm relieved now.

 

[Nick_A]

I understand that young people need to know why they ought to be modest. Just as much as why young people need to be taught manners. They are young, being molded into adults. It has to do with self-respect. I think they can learn how to respect themselves and others without having to resort to this kind of behavior. They are smarter than we think. But sometimes they think they are smarter than we adults are. I'm not saying we ought to have a "do as I say., not as I do" mentality in approaching teens. We ought to be open to their questions as they mature and questions about those changes they are experiencing. We need to educate what's happening to them. But as human nature is, mere learning is not enough to prevent behavior. Kids must be taught discipline. Discipline is not punishment, but rather a method in instilling a sense of order and rightness in their lives. I'm not talking about rigidness of a drill sargent, but discipline tempered by love. They need to understand that every action they do has consequences. They need to recognize what those consequences will cost them.

Let me ask you something. Do you think Vanessa Hughes knew what she was doing when she texted a nude photo of herself to her boyfriend and co-star Zac Efron? Do you think she knew that photo would be spread all over the Internet to be the object of who knows how many twisted fantasies by scores of pedophiles everywhere?

Or did you ever see that commercial that shows a teen girl who plastered some racy pictures of herself on Facebook being taunted by people she doesn't even know at the mall and on the street. The point of the ad is that one needs to watch what one puts up for display aboiut themselves, for everyone is watching.



I'm not sure what point you are trying to convey here. You seem to be saying that it's important NOT to be modest in order to enjoy life. As if life will pass them by if they don't try new and exciting things. Well, being pregant is a new and exciting thing, too. Why don't we let them all pregnant at 14, eh? I watched a program not long ago that actually showed girls as young as 12 or 13 wanting to have a baby now. Nevermind how they are going to care for it or who the father is or how they are going to get through school. They just want to have a child now. Where are they getting these ideas. Huh?

I ask you, what is it that these kids are deep down looking for in wanted children so young?

I'd rather see the disappointed look in my daughter's face when I tell not to date until she's finished school than to see her in such a predictament she will woefully regret later. I mean our local high school has a daycare center for crying out loud. You do the math.

Hi Dondi

You've posted bits and pieces but now for a moment just pretend a young girl has been arrested for sextexting and asks you "What is modesty and why should I take it seriously? Modest people seem so uptight and frigid. I've got a lot of kick in me and I don't want to become an old lady at 18."

I only asked how you would respond to this young teen asking you a question. Would you respond with this post or say something else? If something else, just say what you would say to the teen.

 

[Dondi]

Hi Dondi




I only asked how you would respond to this young teen asking you a question. Would you respond with this post or say something else? If something else, just say what you would say to the teen.

""What is modesty and why should I take it seriously? Modest people seem so uptight and frigid. I've got a lot of kick in me and I don't want to become an old lady at 18."

My response:

"Modesty is knowing when not to dress a certain manner will elict a response that you didn't intend to make. Modesty is having enough self-respect that you don't feel you need to reveal yourself inapropiately in order to gain attention. Self-respect is having the confidence that you don't have to fulfill the status quo or cave into peer pressure in order to be popular or have friends. Your friends ought tomlike you for who you are and not what you can show. In posting a nude picture to your boyfriend conveys the message that you are easy access and invites him to look at you as an object of desire instead of a lover. Being a male teen once, I know that the male mindset at that age is geared toward sex and sendimng such a picture text can trigger a sexual response, whether you meant to or not. Not only that, but vthere is the danger that tis photo might get leaked out to other phone and even to the internet, where your nude body will be on display for anyone to see.

Modesty is not a death knell to fun. It simply protects you from appearing cheap and desparate. Sure, you want to run wild. But be aware of the consequences. What kind of kicks are you looking for? Are you sure that posting racy pictures of yourself is the sure way of getting those kicks and living the best life for you? You are concerned about being an old lady at 18, why don't you be more concerned with just being a lady? You want so much to grow up fast. Slow down and enjoy the age you are now. What you do between you and your boyfriend is no one's business but yours, all I'm suggesting is that you tink twice before making those kind of decisions you might regret later."

Basically the same thing I've been writing, Nick.