Francis king is moving on... adios all!

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...Dear All, the time for me to journey on has arrived...I am leaving IO for pastures new... I request my name be expunged from the records, and my email addy deleted... thank you in advance for that, Brian...

...why am I leaving?... because, mainly, I am bored now...I have discovered that the fellowship I hoped for does not exist, and being here has made me realise just how little I like or can agree with the majority of religious people or their doctrines...

... all the open, honest, from-the-heart posting seems to be at an end here, and I don't think anyone is "listening" to anyone else anymore... nobody is inspiring me with their humanity, or their spirituality, or their insights and personal experiences, and shucks, for me its all about the people and their stories... if I wanted history lessons or doctrinal information I could go to wiki, and if I was interested in the rantings of wannabe philosophers I could read other ppl's blogs...

... I am grateful to all those who have answered my questions and gave me insight, and long may IO continue, as it will, without me...

...am I just saying I'm leaving to elicit positive affirmations from people because I am a narcissist? nope... although, shucks, yes, I am a narcissist, I thought you had all guessed that already...

so long, and thanks for all the fish...

FKx
 

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I agree with a lot you just said about IO... that's why lately I've been posting less.

Sayonara, FK. If you find any community out there that seems promising, drop us a line and let us know.

I'll stick around myself, and see how things go.
 

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Francis, you are a straight shooter and I appreciate that. I have only been here a short time, so I have not seen so many of your posts, but I have enjoyed the ones I have seen.

Good luck on the next step of the journey :) !!
 

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Sorry to see you go. I liked your philosophical musings

I am not sure I totally agree with your thoughts about doing philosophy. I have a degree in philosophy (among other things). That doesn't necessarily qualify me as a philosopher (everyone is a philosopher). However, it has given me some appreciation for what it is to care enough about truth to develop ideas with a certain amount of precision and the importance of making at least some effort to substantiate them.

There is often not that much of a difference between unsubstantiated claims and out-and-out lies. Purity of intent may be the main difference. Philosophy and love for truth may not be the most overwhelming love of my life, but it pervades all other priorities with a sweetness that is close to divine. That's just me and I'm not at all ashamed of it.

I don't think I totally agree with your thoughts on philosophy and "wannabe philosophers." I think it's all good. On the other hand, I do sympathize with your lack of patience for this kind of online discourse, which requires a fair amount of continuity to get anywhere with it. As you may have noticed, some threads fizzle out pretty quick.

A forum situation like this is very difficult because it takes time to prepare even a very basic post - often only to discover it wasn't even worth the trouble to run a spell check on it. I struggle with this all the time and I'm always confronted with the possibility of not being up to the task, not just because of less than adequate communication skills, but because I either don't have time for it or would rather be doing something else. These frustrations are compounded by a sense of feeling torn by a sense of obligation to respond. In some threads I wanted to reply half a year ago and still haven't gotten to it.

The forum situation demands a certain amount of about self-discipline. If no one is inspiring me anymore, maybe it's because I'm not making enough of an effort to connect. I need to have enough self-discipline to at least muster up some empathy and get a sense for what the other person is trying to do and what it is they're talking about. And if I can't figure it out, I still have the option of assuming the other person is learning something even if they don't care enough about the issues to develop a precise argument and actually expect me to do their homework for them.

For me the self-discipline needed to keep meaningful communication going is also a safeguard against the sad folly of producing speech just to hear oneself talk. Which reminds me: My favorite philosophy professor never had much to say.

Cheerio and all the best.
 

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Francis, you should stay in tune; because its possible there will be a get-together sometime. (Its probably going to be in an indoor shopping mall or on one of those putt-putt golf courses.) Hey, you should log in under a fake name and pretend to be a noob. You can't do it, can you? Softy!
 

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*stands up with his ghetto blaster high above his head and an ernst look*

"KEYLEIGH!!!! IS IT TOOOO LATE TO SAY I'M SORRY!!!! And Keyleigh can we get together!! AGAAAAAAAAIN!!! I just can't go on pretending, that it came to a natural end!! KEYLEIGH!!!! OOOOOOOH I NEVER THOUGHT, I'D MISS YA! And Keyleigh I thought we'd always be friends!! How did it come to this bitter end?!"

*sits back down*

lulz... my bad.... Strange mood today... Well Take er' easy King.
 

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Yeh yeh yeh Francis, blame everybody else! What you want from life you got to make. That is true even on a forum like this. When was the last time you started a thread with any meat? (I believe the last was vegetables ;) ) I have been working a lot more lately so have not had time to develop any threads and what happens? Yeh the threads I would want to be active in have dried up. In other words this place, like any place, you have to make happen. You are a great writer with a turn of wit and sharpness that cuts through a lot of bs, and I think anybody that has known you down the years would agree. But you have only ever really been a casual visitor, you start and maintain few threads. So dont blame us. You wanted something more? Well then show us what you wanted.
I am peeved that you are leaving. I hoped we would have an IO get together at some time and you are one of the people I most wanted to meet. Bloody hell I am angry that you are leaving! Like how dare you scupper my hopes... *borrows fish from SG and slaps Francis with it!!"
 

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...Dear All, the time for me to journey on has arrived...I am leaving IO for pastures new... I request my name be expunged from the records, and my email addy deleted... thank you in advance for that, Brian...

Alright, maybe I'm a bit bored too. Part of me feels that my journey might be ending too, although part of me wants to engage more in the forums. Maybe it's because I haven't had much time for this lately and the level of emotional engagement and investment is dropping. But there are some ideas that I would really like to share, a "personal manifesto" of mine that I would like to share in the forums about what I have been thinking these last few years.

...why am I leaving?... because, mainly, I am bored now...

Bored? Hey why? Is there not enough conflict? Are they not enough people to stir up the pot?

Bandit? Sacredstar? Nick_A? Faithfulservant? pattimax?

Thankfully Tao is doing his job. I'm a bit disappointed that Thomas is retreating further back over the Tiber. What happened to AndrewX? Where did he go? taijasi?

This sounds almost like a put-down. Someone start a food fight! You will certainly be making these forums a more boring place by leaving!

I have discovered that the fellowship I hoped for does not exist, and being here has made me realise just how little I like or can agree with the majority of religious people or their doctrines...

Hey if you don't agree with people's beliefs here you should say so, not that you haven't, but you need to keep up the good work. I personally found a lot of your posts abrasive, provocative and antagonistic, but in a helpful and constructive way. Dissenting and opposing views aren't always a bad thing. The world needs to know that not everybody thinks or feels the same way.

So please stay on. IO/CR needs you more than you need IO/CR.

... all the open, honest, from-the-heart posting seems to be at an end here, and I don't think anyone is "listening" to anyone else anymore...nobody is inspiring me with their humanity, or their spirituality, or their insights and personal experiences, and shucks, for me its all about the people and their stories...if I wanted history lessons or doctrinal information I could go to wiki, and if I was interested in the rantings of wannabe philosophers I could read other ppl's blogs...

You want personal accounts more than doctrine, ideology and facts? Hey you should have told us before! This is the first time I'm reading this. But you're saying you're leaving now and only just telling us now.

...am I just saying I'm leaving to elicit positive affirmations from people because I am a narcissist? nope... although, shucks, yes, I am a narcissist, I thought you had all guessed that already...

I'm a narcissist too and I crave admiration and attention from people for things that I post. I don't have a problem with narcissists. I'm proud of my own individuality.:)

Francis King, please reconsider.

You are a great writer with a turn of wit and sharpness that cuts through a lot of bs, and I think anybody that has known you down the years would agree. But you have only ever really been a casual visitor, you start and maintain few threads. So dont blame us. You wanted something more? Well then show us what you wanted.

Tao I have to agree. Francis King hasn't been enough of a rabble-rouser. While it's true that he/she has been abrasive, provocative and antagonistic in many of his/her posts, it has mostly been constructive and IO/CR has more to lose than to gain from her passing away (pun intended:eek::D). I don't think she asked loudly or early enough for what she wanted. Just like I said, she is only just telling us now.

*borrows fish from SG and slaps Francis with it!!"

lol seattlegal is famous for slapping people with fish. She slapped me with one for an incident I can't remember. The only thing I remember about it is that I deliberately created a scene. I said something sensationalist and provocative and got my taste of medicine for it.

I hope this is a trick. Francis King is just doing this as an experiment.
 

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cant say I blame you really, there are some real idiots here from contrary neg heads to know it all experts on everything often you cant say much thats personal because the experts and those you confuse they're opinions with truth will be all over you :eek:
 

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cant say I blame you really, there are some real idiots here from contrary neg heads to know it all experts on everything often you cant say much thats personal because the experts and those you confuse they're opinions with truth will be all over you :eek:

God creates truth.
Humans create truth.
We all create truth.

We create truth and then believe in it if it sounds good.

Ultimately, there are no absolute truths, only convenient truths. Even the last sentence is a convenient truth.

Even if there was an absolute truth, that in itself is only as good as a convenient truth, because any truth is only as good as it is meaningful and valuable.

Oh, sorry. I forgot that any argument must have a premise. The premise here is that I am not talking about logic or mathematics. It is absolutely true that 1 + 1 = 2. It does not equal 5, 10, 100 or anything else but 2. But I am not talking about mathematics or logic here but religion, spirituality, sentience, social relations and human existence.

When it comes to the latter, truth is whatever you make of it. It is whatever you want it to be and nobody can tell you otherwise. We all have the ability to choose our own destiny because Adam and Eve tasted the fruit of good and evil.

I am an expert on me and nobody knows me better than me. I am also an expert on my own opinions and if I have enough ideas to create a new religion, political party or social club, I could potentially do that. If I have enough ideas about how an existing religion or ideology should function, I could well call myself an expert on that.

Ultimately, everyone is just an expert on themselves and their own ideas. It's just that when a religion is a part of me, especially when it is a large part of me, I like to call myself an expert on that religion. When I talk about a religion, I am really talking about aspects of that religion that I have personally assimilated.

It's just a question of whether I choose to conform to already established ideas or to my own. Do I choose to conform or rebel? That is the question. The ones who conform may call me a heretic and blasphemer, but it's really my word against their word.

Let's write a manifesto on that!:)

I'm an expert on how religions generally work. I must be an idiot!:D

Satire and self-criticism rules.

*stands up with his ghetto blaster high above his head and an ernst look*

"KEYLEIGH!!!! IS IT TOOOO LATE TO SAY I'M SORRY!!!! And Keyleigh can we get together!! AGAAAAAAAAIN!!! I just can't go on pretending, that it came to a natural end!! KEYLEIGH!!!! OOOOOOOH I NEVER THOUGHT, I'D MISS YA! And Keyleigh I thought we'd always be friends!! How did it come to this bitter end?!"

*sits back down*

lulz... my bad.... Strange mood today... Well Take er' easy King.

Oh btw, I was going to say this before to get my five points but forgot . . .

. . . Let's get the Police onto Francis King! Get her arrested and bring her back to CR/IO!:D
 

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Ya know to me this place is a comfy easy chair, at a local coffee house.

I've got some friends here, I sit and contemplate their contemplations, toss in my 2 cents...catch hell for being crass, someone tells me get behind me satan for being blasphemous, someone else laughs at my joke, I do the same in other venues in real life...tis just a virtual rendition where the folks that I gab with thousands of miles away...
 
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