Reincarnation: not RIP but BRB?

Jesus was quite specific that there's no reincarnation back to earth, no second chances, no purgatory, no escape from hell.
When we die, it's 'Game Over'-
Jesus said:-"Then they will go away to eternal punishment,but the righteous to eternal life" (Matt 25:46)
 
My thoughts................. I dont believe in reincarnation (as we understand it), however I do believe in Heaven. But, I dont NOT believe in reincarnation..............I think that the hints that we have with all the knowledge of times past, is still not enough information for us to understand.
To put it simply, we dont have all the information yet.....to quote the "NOX"..."you are too young...."

Love the Grey
 
A theosophist supports rebirth:

https://universaltheosophy.com/pdf-library/The Memory of Past Births_Johnston.pdf

Preface
By reading the title, The Memory of Past Births, you have already taken the first step towards remembering, for you have sowed in your mind the seed of an idea which will germinate and grow till at last it blossoms into full knowledge. Of those who receive this thought of endless life through many births, most accept it at once with a conviction which runs ahead of evidence; many hold it tentatively with gradually growing credence; none altogether reject or forget it. The thought remains, the seed stirs and grows, and as rebirth is a true law of life, every turn and incident of life gives it new force, till at last belief ripens into certainty. That certainty of the larger life wherein the lives and deaths of this our world are but as days and nights, lightens the burden of death, dulls the edge of sorrow, takes away the terror of separation. Immortality, the dearest hope in every human heart, becomes once more credible and intelligible; nay more, demands and compels our belief. We begin to catch the light of our immortal selves, the gleam from beyond the heavens which shall illumine our hidden past, and, still greater boon, bring clear vision of the path before us, winding through the mists and shadows of the valley, till it rises at last into the everlasting sunshine.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Some don't come back.
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Yeah I remember that... I was in high school.

That doesn't really address the question of reincarnation. Unless you are trying to definitively say that none of those 7 astronauts reincarnated for some specific reason that would make their case and their tragedy relevant to the question of reincarnation and the forum.

I also remember the OP you replied to. I hope he comes back to the forum.
 
TheLightWithin said:
That doesn't really address the question of reincarnation. Unless you are trying to definitively say that none of those 7 astronauts reincarnated for some specific reason that would make their case and their tragedy relevant to the question of reincarnation and the forum.
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I do not think anyone does (come back, re-incarnates). That is a physical impossibility.

"The average human body contains approximately 7 x 10^27 atoms, which translates to an estimated total of around 42 million protein molecules per cell, among other types of molecules. Overall, the number of molecules in the human body is extremely high, likely exceeding 10^27 when considering all types of molecules present." Duck Assist
 
Aupmanyav said:
I do not think anyone does (come back, re-incarnates). That is a physical impossibility.

"The average human body contains approximately 7 x 10^27 atoms, which translates to an estimated total of around 42 million protein molecules per cell, among other types of molecules. Overall, the number of molecules in the human body is extremely high, likely exceeding 10^27 when considering all types of molecules present." Duck Assist
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The return of the same molecules sounds like what would be expected for resurrection, but even then, maybe not.
My understanding of reincarnation is that it involves a disembodied, immaterial soul that survives the body being incarnated into a new body.
 
Aupmanyav said:
I do not think anyone does (come back, re-incarnates). That is a physical impossibility.
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As TLW points out, reincarnation is not resurrection. I believe reincarnation depends on a non-physical soul to return.
 
And to add to TLW, there's a strong argument that resurrection, in the case of Christianity, would not be the reconstitution of the same molecules.
 
TheLightWithin said:
My understanding of reincarnation is that it involves a disembodied, immaterial soul that survives the body being incarnated into a new body.
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iBrian said:
I believe reincarnation depends on a non-physical soul to return.
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I do not believe in any extra or non-physical entity, and soul is supposed to be that. That does away with many things.
 
Aupmanyav said:
I do not believe in any extra or non-physical entity, and soul is supposed to be that. That does away with many things.
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Well, if it does happen, it happens without most people knowing it most of the time. Which of course makes it very hard to verify.
It's the scriptures of religions that have that doctrine and the occasional stories of people who self-report memories of other lives that provide the main information used in speculating on this intriguing possibility, however remote it may seem due to minimal evidence and the persistence of alternate theories.
 
TheLightWithin said:
Well, if it does happen, it happens without most people knowing it most of the time. Which of course makes it very hard to verify.
It's the scriptures of religions that have that doctrine and the occasional stories of people who self-report memories of other lives that provide the main information used in speculating on this intriguing possibility, however remote it may seem due to minimal evidence and the persistence of alternate theories.
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They would surely not know. Even scientists are scratching their heads to understand that. Science has been able to verify it - Cassimir's effect.
en.wikipedia.org

Casimir effect - Wikipedia

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Aupmanyav said:
They would surely not know. Even scientists are scratching their heads to understand that. Science has been able to verify it - Cassimir's effect..
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I'm sure you can come up with numerous other physical manifestations. :)
..but they are not the issue here .. the issue is of "non-physical", physically unobservable ones.

Sure, you can assume there is none but physical material .. but you cannot verify that.
Neither, in my opinion, is it reasonable to assume such.

The usual reply to this, is to cite the nonsensical, such as spaghetti monsters or pixies.
..which are known to be fictitious .. bla bla.

Again, you can assume that there is no point to existence other than what is physically apparent..
i.e. birth .. doing stuff for a few years .. death .. and "cosmically meaningless"

We all make assumptions, but I prefer to keep an open mind on the nature of existence.
 
muhammad_isa said:
Again, you can assume that there is no point to existence other than what is physically apparent..
i.e. birth .. doing stuff for a few years .. death .. and "cosmically meaningless"
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I will be happy to change my views if you provide any evidence of what you say. Yeah, humans are cosmically, meaningless.
 
muhammad_isa said:
I don't think that most "Eastern religions" hold this view.
Please observe the particular forum boundaries, in general. :)

You are welcome to your assumptions .. but most people with spiritual awareness do not
share them.
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Which Eastern religions? For Hindus, it is 'maya'; for Buddhists, it is 'anatta'. I am very well within the boundaries of Eastern religions.
'ad poopulum' fallacy. If they don't, how does that affect my views? :D
 
Aupmanyav said:
They would surely not know. Even scientists are scratching their heads to understand that. Science has been able to verify it - Cassimir's effect.
en.wikipedia.org

Casimir effect - Wikipedia

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Not quite sure I understand this intriguing but rather technical concept in the context of reincarnation. Maybe I'm missing something obvious and have to review it. It's late now where I am ...🛏️😴
 
TheLightWithin said:
Not quite sure I understand this intriguing but rather technical concept in the context of reincarnation. Maybe I'm missing something obvious and have to review it. It's late now where I am ...🛏️😴
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My education too is much below the level to understand 'Casimir's effect'. I report what Wikipedia says. It is related to what Einstein termed as 'Spooky action at a distance'. It is also related to existence and non-existence.

Add to my post #36: For Jains, it is 'Anekantavada' (Aneka Anta Doctrine, "many-sidedness") Anekantavada - Wikipedia

"Anekāntavāda (500 BCE), is the Jain doctrine about metaphysical truths that emerged in ancient India. It states that the ultimate truth and reality is complex and has multiple aspects and viewpoints.
According to Jainism, no single, specific statement can describe the nature of existence and the absolute truth.
  1. Affirmation: syād-asti—in some ways, it is,
  2. Denial: syān-nāsti—in some ways, it is not,
  3. Joint but successive affirmation and denial: syād-asti-nāsti—in some ways, it is, and it is not,
  4. Joint and simultaneous affirmation and denial: syāt-asti-avaktavyaḥ—in some ways, it is, and it is indescribable,
  5. Joint and simultaneous affirmation and denial: syān-nāsti-avaktavyaḥ—in some ways, it is not, and it is indescribable,
  6. Joint and simultaneous affirmation and denial: syād-asti-nāsti-avaktavyaḥ—in some ways, it is, it is not, and it is indescribable,
  7. Joint and simultaneous affirmation and denial: syād-avaktavyaḥ—in some ways, it is indescribable."
 
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Let's say I accept reincarnation. I got questions.

Is it only humans? Or do all bugs and amoeba too?

If so can we reincarnate as different species?

How many times? Are there people who have been returning since first life (3.7 billion years), or only since homosapien (300 thousand years) or per bible (5700 years)?

How many of the 8 billion folks here today have been here before, out of the 117 million that have been born? Assuming the previous answers indicate the trillions of other life forms did not have the potential to reincarnate as human.

Now you know why they didn't like me in Sunday school
 
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