Ben Masada said:
God have mercy on us for the millions of Jewish lives we have lost as a result of that "Christian love relationship with God" throughout History.
could you dial down the self-righteousness just a tad, d'ye think?
I am afraid that's pretty much what Jesus allowed himself to reveal about the wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles.
that's not really a fair representation of what is actually the case; your language suggests this to be an ongoing situation, whereas this merely represents the sort of language used in the context of a violent pagan society like the roman military governorship or the persian despotism current during the talmudic period.
Jesus himself might have been trying to decide whether to become a Talmudist or a Christian.
*BUZZ* false dichotomy alert! at this point, quite apart from the matter that there isn't such a thing as a christian, there isn't really any such thing as a "talmudist". rabbinic judaism (which is more or less covered by the new testament categories of "pharisees" and "doctors of law", but that's being very simplistic) doesn't come into ascendancy until at least 50 years later, after the destruction of the Temple. and it really doesn't hit its moral stride until the hadrianic persecutions and the bar kokhba revolt. within the "talmudic" strain there are people with more isolationist tendencies as well as those with more universalist tendencies; remember at this point judaism had not started to actively discourage proselytisation and there were still plenty of people coming in and out, plus a myriad of sects, very few of which are really understood by the writers of the NT as i understand it - i mean, it's not that relevant to them except as people who are compared to jesus and found wanting.
the Gentile woman was soon able to win Jesus over and the story ends rather happily, with a healing and, metaphorically speaking, the Gentile pit-bull converted into a loving and harmless poodle.
perhaps jesus went along with it in order to prevent her shopping him to the authorities on some sort of trumped-up charge: "he cursed my child!" - that would come under a number of halakhic rubrics, but particularly kiddush haShem
or, if you prefer, a good pr opportunity.
I assumed the campaign, or, depending upon one's point of view, holy war, against the Canaanites was complete and that not only their men but also their women, children, cattle, pit-bulls, poodles and gold fish had been decimated in the process.
the gibeonites are extensively treated in the halakhah; they have a special halakhic status called "nethin". there were still a few around at the time, but not anymore; there were restrictions on intermarrying with them but generally speaking they were treated as something more than resident aliens. on the other hand, the canaanites were very much still around - the phoenicians were a canaanite people, but not of the "seven nations" that we were commanded to get rid of (a command we did not in fact carry out) and the confusion over this sort of thing eventually resulted in the decision that "sennacherib mixed up the nations" and hence it was no longer possible to determine someone's "national status" for purposes of "seven-nations idolatry". none of this, of course, is relevant to the writers of the new testament, but jesus would undoubtedly have been aware of it.
Jesus became one of the first Jews on record to transcend the limitations of his national exclusivism and bias
i don't think i would totally disagree with this; that process was what we had to go through after the "causeless hatred" engendered by this resulted in the destruction of the second Temple and the end of the second jewish commonwealth. it is a shame that the kamtzas and bar kamtzas in the knesset do not consider this more often.
a dangerous new movement -a universal religion
you have correctly identified precisely what judaism at its best solves by its particularism and which supercessionism in christianity and islam builds into intolerance and oppression.
“I am not a Jew,” Trotsky is said to have said (though I quote from memory), “I am an Internationalist.”
non-religious jews are also marked for murder by those who want us dead, so this way of solving the world's problems is also futile - to say nothing of communism's own pretensions to be a universal religion and its consequent totalitarian development.
I think Jesus' movement can be likened to today's Chabad. The attitudes that Jesus and his followers would have had to Gentiles would have been similar to those Lubavitchers have.
oh, the irony! hur hur hur. of course, the lubavitchers would *never* acclaim their rebbe as the "king messiah" and then deify him after his death, sorry "occultation"... oh, wait, hang on a minute....
If Jesus and Schneerson switched places, history probably wouldn't change. They're like identical parts from a factory.
for me, of course, this is more about the "mental software packages" available to both sets of followers; the leader/teacher's behaviour is interpreted in terms of how they understand it.
Ben Masada, as a Jew you have to decide whether to follow Orthodox or Reform Judaism. Until Jews can come to a consensus on whether Orthodox or Reform Judaism is the right path, I cannot be sure whether or not Paul was right in saying that the old requirements are no longer valid. This is one of those instances where adherents of one religion influence those of another.
i think you'll find it's a lot more complicated than "pick a team".
to be perfectly blunt, I think Hitler may have been karma for the returning to the holy place.
well, to be perfectly blunt, feck you if you don't like it, you smug, self-righteous dismisser of genocide.
the current jewish occupation of palestine
i'm not sure i care for your tone here. long may it remain "current". for us, it is (hopefully) the long-awaited and prophesied return to our homeland that we have awaited and prayed for for nearly 2,000 years - against all odds.
brutal oppression of the Palestinian people
you probably know my thoughts on this. oppression of the palestinians is something for which we are paying a heavy price in blood and morality. it will need to be sorted out, but for this to happen the *ENTIRE* problem will need to be fixed. people will need to stop thinking that the jewish presence is "current" or temporary. people will need to stop thinking we will quietly accept annihilation. we will not. but, similarly, arrogance, hubris and causeless hatred will need to cease among EVERYONE concerned.
Ben Masada said:
Check History, there was never a country called Palestine.
but there are now, very definitely, a people called palestinians and they want self-determination. this cannot be denied them. of course, it would be best if their self-determination were exercised in a sensible, peaceable way, without the imposition of selfish outsiders (in which i include the likes of the iranians, the saudis and the hard left).
Israel is basically a fascist aparteid state, where the ruling race the jews brutally opress the native people the palestinians, just look at the facts and see who's dieing.
what a simplistic, one-sided leftie-media-driven nonsense view. so what about the israeli arabs who are in government, run hospitals, vote? what about the palestinians that brutally murder jews for being jews? what about the fact that your so-called "native people" can be demonstrably shown to share not only their linguistic roots, but a lot of their DNA with the "colonisers"? what about the half of israel's population that came from arab states and the way they were treated there? as veterans of the anti-apartheid struggle are now starting to stand up and say, people who consider israel to be "apartheid" simply don't understand what apartheid was and that cheapens and degrades the struggle that south africa went through. try reading something other than the guardian once in a while.
The world will never be able to solve the problem that is Israel.
not without the israelis and palestinians, the jews and the arabs and the muslims all wanting to solve the problem equitably. i actually highlighted one of the more sensible peace plans not so long ago; search for "ray hanania" on this site.
The Zionists, Illuminatis, fundamentalist terrorists and others who believe in violence
oh, for feck's sake. i'm a zionist. i don't believe in violence except in self-defence. i've never heard of illuminati outside dan brown and conspiracy websites. don't be so silly.
John Hagee is safely restricted to the precincts of the Court of the Gentiles, he functions as a shameless temple prostitute for Israel.
and we all know what judaism thinks of that sort of person. so-called "christian zionists" are no friends of us; they have an entirely different agenda and the more fool those right-wing idiots that think they can use these maniacs to further their own agenda.
Hating Palestinians is, in other words, the only permissible form of antisemitism.
don't fall for that old chestnut. there is no such group as "semites". "semitic" is a term from sociolinguistics, not ethnology. jew-hatred is jew-hatred, arab-hatred is arab-hatred and bigotry, in the final analysis, is bigotry.
Tell them that, when you speak to them. But, if you do, be forewarned: your building fund might dry up.
and good thing too. it is tainted money.
There were approximately 1,400 casualties in Gaza, one- or two-thirds of which (depending on whom you ask) were civilians, women, and children.
it is a shame that those maniacs in hamas decided that there was propaganda value in placing their rocket batteries in civilian areas and making weapons dumps in schools. it is a shame that they decided to kidnap gilad shalit in the first place. it is a shame that they view their own dead as a *positive* outcome. you should read the [british] colonel richard kemp on the tactics used in gaza. then you might try comparing it with the tactics that the assad clan are using to hang on to power against their own people, not even an aggressive nation-state bordering on their own. more than 5,000 people they've killed. where are the protests? where are the bleeding-heart liberals demanding action? where are the marches, the campaigns, the boycott, divestment and sanctions crew? i don't see george galloway or the IHH organising flotillas to syria. what hypocrites people are.
Ben Masada said:
To believe in the IDF is to believe in survival. Were not for the IDF we would be all drawn in the Mediterranean Sea today.
that's just as simplistic. we need more than the IDF to build a sustainable culture. i am not saying that the ability to defend ourselves isn't important, of course, it's critical. it's just not enough to base an entire civilisation on. for that we also need, as the sages said, Torah, righteousness and compassion
. this also, incidentally, means that yeshivas are not the answer to everything either, nor are hi-tech start-ups, nor are settlements, nor are universities, nor are forests, nor are human rights groups or anything else. read rav kook. it's all about *everything*. geulah (redemption) cannot come from the blood of innocents - ours or theirs.