Spiritual Stages Advice?

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  1. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Why do you see ego in me?

    I have never claimed superiority, my whole motivation is to show what your potential is. Everything I say of myself is true of everyone, I am not special or unique, I am not chosen or any such nonsense.

    I am a road sign: "God ahead, drive slowly", if you are not alert, you will crash.

    Yet you do not wish to hear, you would rather mock... it is because I cannot allow your ego to survive, I know it is the only distraction.
     
  2. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    you are elevated so high in your deluded fantasy world.
     
  3. Lunitik

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    You see me as elevated, I merely hold out a hand and say "come".

    I am not asking you to follow me, my longing is only to introduce you to God.
     
  4. Princely

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    Those in the dark cannot lead anyone into the light.

    The One who is sent by God he speaks the words of God.
    Anyone who acts in truth comes into the Light.The word of the Lord is truth.

    So act in truth and come to me. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for my yoke is upright and my burden is light.

    Anyone who refuses to honor the son, refuses to honor the Father who sent him.

    Turn to me all you ends of the earth and be safe, for I am God there is no other, says the Lord.

    To me every knee shall bend, by me every tongue shall swear, saying only in the Lord are just deeds and power.In the Lord shall be the vindication and the glory of all the descendants of Israel.

    Now, therefore, says the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel: Ah! I will take vengeance on my foes and fully repay my enemies!
    I will turn my hand against you, and refine your dross in the furnace, removing all your alloy. I will restore your judges as at first, and your counselors as in the beginning; After that you shall be called city of justice, faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed by judgment, and her repentant ones by justice.
    Rebels and sinners alike shall be crushed, those who desert the Lord shall be consumed.

    The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob.
     
  5. Lunitik

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    Who will guide but one who can see?

    This is my whole point, my compassion will not allow me to watch the blind trying to lead the blind, have you ever looked at the shins of a blind person? They are always tore up!

    Why allow accidents when they are not necessary? The door is where I call from, follow my voice instead of continuing to bump into the walls. I cannot drag you to the door though, and I cannot push you through it. You have to do that by yourself, otherwise your salvation depends on me. I respect your being too much to leave it dependent on another.

    The only sanctuary is in the Lord, the one who emanates all.

    The body of Jesus is no more, but his essence is there within you.

    "Unless you hate your own life, you cannot be my disciple" - stop trying to protect yourself and come!

    Take on the Holy Spirit, realize you are perfect as the Father, accept the mind of Jesus within yourself. Memorizing scripture is not good enough, you must become a walking scripture in your own right. Speaking the words of Jesus does not prove you have encountered the knowledge, it only means you cannot think for yourself. Have at least a little respect, recognize the treasure within yourself!

    Come.
     
  6. Lunitik

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    "You have your being in God, and he in you"

    Who knows where in the existence he is hiding, there is much less ground to cover within though. Then there is a miracle, the inner and the outer you see are not two.

    Just look within, stop wandering around like a sheep, you are the Shepard confused. It is said "it is better to live a single day as a lion then a lifetime as a sheep", have a little more dignity, find out what is hidden in your own heart.

    You will find the heart of God.
     
  7. Lunitik

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    The *ONLY* difference between you and Jesus is he has found that inner treasure and you have not, yet.
     
  8. Princely

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    Whoever loses his life for my sake preserves it with eternal life. Whoever speaks on His own (as you do) seeks his own glory but anyone who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no dishonesty in his heart. Whoever walks in the dark will stumble but whoever goes walking in the day will not stumble because he sees's the world bathed in light. I am the light.

    As scripture says "Speak the truth to one another. "

    "No one acts justly, no one speaks truthfully, They refuse to recognize me says the Lord.

    I the Lord speak the truth, I say what is right. All those who do right shall rise to live.

    The wicked will not stand in judgement nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.

    I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
    Everything that the Lord gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,
    because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the One who sent me.
    And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should lose nothing of what he gave me, but that I should raise it on the last day.
    For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him possesses eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day.
    No one can come to me unless the Lord who sent me draws him, and I will raise him on the last day.
    It is written in the prophets: They shall all be taught by God. Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.

    I am the spirit the will and the power of God, the stairway to heaven. No one comes to the kingdom of God except by me.
     
  9. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    thank you for proving my point yet again.
     
  10. Lunitik

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    What glory can a nothingness have? No, I speak only of the one who sent ALL of us. That same one who sent Jesus, I simply do not speak Jesus' words, for he is flesh and blood. His words have already been spoken, and they have not been successful in the world.
     
  11. Lunitik

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    I only show it is your own ego which will not hear my words, if that is your point then it is a good one.
     
  12. Lunitik

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    What difference can be shown between my words and Jesus'?

    He has said much which can be considered egoistic, yet certainly he has no ego. You accept him because you have been raised to accept him, but a living man saying the same you cannot accept - just as the Jews could not accept Jesus.

    It is the same thing all over again, and this is why man is in such a troublesome place.
     
  13. Thomas

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    He is moved by love?

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
  14. Lunitik

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    How can you see anything but love in my words?

    Love is all there is, it is the quality of the one, there is nothing else. I am not saying these things out of hate, I am saying them out of love for what you are. It is exactly that love which allows Jesus to say "unless you hate your own life, you cannot be my disciple", and these are the same words I say.

    It is nothing but love, because I know that what you think you are is exactly what causes all suffering, and that suffering arises because you are separate from your essence, you have not found your inner diamond. You are eternal believing yourself mortal because you can see the body must die. Who are you? This is all I ask all to see.

    You will insist you know yourself to be immortal, you will insist you know the soul lives on beyond this life, but whatsoever is separate must die eventually. Only that which says "I and my father are one" is immortal in truth. Everything I say points at this one, I say nothing else.

    What is love in your mind? I know love to be the experience of oneness, it is the flavor of the merging - but that merging is the death of the human being, now only God is.

    Kingdom means realm of the King, you are Michael, sit on the throne.

    Instead, you have permitted the priest to say you are a sheep.

    My love finds this maddening, this is why I cannot forgive them. You defend them though, it is because you do not see it, you are happy to humiliate yourself because they promise you immortal life. The only immortal being is God, and you are that. You think yourself a temporary phenomenon, this makes me sad to the core, but all you have to do to correct it is dis-identify with these things. Truth arises by itself if the false is dropped, although my words will look negative to you for the same reason - I say hate everything you think you are that you can find what is real.

    What is hate? It is to seek distance, love is to see there is none.
     
  15. Lunitik

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    Man has created a daydream about love, something ideal and romanticized. It is not the reality... and what they uphold as love is simply an impossibility, it just blinds them from the actuality and ensures unhappiness if the ideal is continuously sought. It is why almost half of all marriages never succeed, the dream has been shattered and the reality has been missed. Few humans have ever encountered real love, this is why my tears drop.

    Stop hating what you are, stop avoiding it and waiting for others to tell it to you. It is available this moment if you go within and touch it. Then love is known, and until you find love within you cannot share it. How can you possibly share what you do not have in the first place? So few Christians ever look at what Jesus said "Love your God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself". It means you have to find that place of love within first, now love arises spontaneously because they ARE you, another expression of what you actually are.
     
  16. Lunitik

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    When the Kingdom is realized, the entire world is within your subjectivity. All that God has created is now within you, including your old limited self and the family you have dropped to realize it. This is true love, anything less is a farce.

    You might complain because you have been taught Christianity is the family oriented religion, it is no such thing! Jesus has said "unless you hate your father and mother, your brother and sister - indeed your own life - you cannot be my disciple". It is because all these things are your bonds, they keep you back from realizing truth.

    God is truth.

    In truth all is contained, your bonds only limit you, keep you small.

    Detachment from all things including what you think you are is necessary, this is the key to the Kingdom of God, that all else but Him be dropped. Truth is not dependent on your desires, you will have to drop them all to know it. Your desires are your will, you must surrender to the will of God, drop your own.
     
  17. Princely

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    Anyone who accepts the One I send accepts me and whoever accepts me accepts the One who sent me.I came into the world as it's light to keep everyone who believes in me from remaining in the dark. Anyone who hears my words and does not keep them I am not the one who condemns him for I did not come to condemn the world but to save it. Anyone who rejects me and does not accept my words , he already has his judge, namely the words I've spoken that is what condemns him on the last day.

    Whoever disobeys the son will not see life but must endure the wrath of God.
     
  18. Lunitik

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    I accept all who speak of the One, I only wish to give you that same light but you stubbornly hold onto the darkness. Words are empty though, I insist all experience for themselves - that is a fundamental difference. How can you say you accept when you do not see the light in another though? No, you blindly follow a book, the priests, and the tradition. Jesus himself fought the traditions of men, you are as any of the Jews that wished him dead. It is bound to be, for it is the same minds preaching on Jesus as those rabbi's that killed him.

    What has Jesus saved though? Is the world better today, fundamentally, than when he came? It is far worse, we are on the brink of nuclear war and this is a saved world?

    The world needs a new light, Jesus' has faded.
     
  19. Lunitik

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    I am not against Jesus, I love the man deeply.

    I simply have no ties to him, my only loyalty lies with God.

    Every single religions founder has said they are the way, and they are all right. It is because all point to God, all realize they are themselves irrelevant.
     
  20. Lunitik

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    Even Jesus has said:

    "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me? The things that I tell you all I do not speak on my own authority: but the Father dwelling within me carries on His own work."

    Yet you take Jesus to be the authority, no, the only authority is that which dwells in him. I merely implore you to seek it within yourself too. In this is the key to the Kingdom of God, as Jesus says it is within you, not without. How can you find it in a book or church? These are outward things, seek within. Until you begin looking within yourself for God, religion has not even began for you.
     

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