Spiritual Stages Advice?

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  1. donnann

    donnann Active Member

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    The world was not saved back then because the male is only half of the whole and end time prophecy is about his second coming but also marriage to his opposite. Who is JESUS though. Daniel 12 says: Michael will stand up. Doesnt that refer to the resurrection. Also in that prophecy doesnt it say when he does that the people will be delivered referring to the resurrection of the bodies? This makes sense.
     
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    Doesnt the bible say god will stop man before man ruins the earth? Nuclear war would ruin the earth. Thats a proven fact.
     
  3. Lunitik

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    The second coming is the discovery of Christ within.

    You are Michael, for it means 'resembling God'. This is the anointing, that God resides within you, you are Emmanuel - God among us.

    While residing in the body, always it is relative, even Jesus says there are things which only the Father knows - it is because he is not fully God, only one who has surrendered his will to him.
     
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    Perhaps I am part of that movement to save this planet?

    God cannot act by himself, for he has no form - we are his hands and feet. God always acts through us, there is no other way.
     
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    Of course everyone is a part of it, but there is heavenly intervention.
     
  6. Lunitik

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    How will you notice it if you cannot look at the intervention rightly?

    The Jews killed Jesus because they could not look at him rightly, only through their scriptures. Was Jesus not heavenly intervention all those years ago?
     
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    Well no one has any power over second coming. JESUS is NOT in weak human condtion.
     
  8. Lunitik

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    When you say Jesus, you mean Christ, for Christ is God... Jesus is a vessel God has used to intervene 2000+ years ago. The anointing is with God, God is the oil of life, the fuel of life - indeed, he is life itself.
     
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    I am talking about GOD and Michael. Remember Daniel 12. Does everyone forget that prophecy talks about delivery. At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever
     
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    It is happening now, open your eyes.
     
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    I know stuff is happening now , it has been for years and years. However its not on our timetable its on gods. I do however believe Michael and GOD are on earth somewhere.
     
  12. Lunitik

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    If he said "I am here", how will you know it?
     
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    Theres been many signs but I do know for sure. You may not believe me but I have had personal experiences that confirm it for me. I just wish I could commune with people with my same beliefs.
     
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    Have you seen a face?

    Describe it.
     
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    Black hair, handsome, huge guy. Was wearing an opus dei bishops robe but looked perfect and immortal. Skin wasnt exactly white but he wasnt really really black either. Somewhat black.
     
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    It says the second coming will come as a thief in the night, and also that anyone who does not go through Christ to God is a thief. It means the second coming will not arise from his Church, so this is impossible, sorry.

    It could be this is to be your Master, your fleshly teacher, but it is not the second coming.
     
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    Fleshy , he had something on under that robe and he wasnt mortal. He scared the crap out of a lady who saw who he really is under that robe. Opus dei believes in the sanctification of people through ordinary life. That means even people who dont attend church. Think it was a message.
     
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    What is meant? That life itself is the teacher?

    This will be the case for the second coming, he will not be Christian, he will be Christ - anointed by oneness. I think your vision is representative, but not literal.
     
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    Actually that woman saw him too so shes a witness. It wasnt just a vision he literally was there. The priest I talked to afterwards in the church office had a vision while I was talking to him and had the same look that lady had when she saw him. That was really Michael. No joke. After the lady saw him and RAN into the office looking all scared I heard the priest on the phone talking in Italian and did understand when he told someone on the phone that Michael de Angeleous made and appearance.
     
  20. Emil

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    There is no such spiritual growth in Catholic tradition.

    Spiritual growth is organized in this way;
    First we receive the sacrament of Baptism and the grace bestowed by the sacrament.
    After the age of reason, about 7 yrs. of age other Sacraments follow and we receive even more grace.
    With sacraments we receive Sanctifying Grace, actual grace, infused virtues, the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the final stage is fruits of the H. Spirit and Beatitudes.

    But to reach the final stages we have to go through this:

    PART TWO: GROWTH IN HOLINESS

    7. Conversion From Sin
    The Psychosomatic Structure
    The Struggle Against Sin
    Temptations

    8. Progressive Purgation
    Purification of the External Senses
    Purification of the Internal Senses
    Purification of the Passions
    Purification of the Intellect
    Purification of the Will
    Passive Purgations

    9. Means of Spiritual Growth
    The Sacraments
    Meritorious Good Works
    Prayer of Petition

    10. The Theological Virtues
    Faith
    The Gift of Understanding
    The Gift of Knowledge
    Hope
    The Gift of Fear
    Charity
    The Gift of Wisdom

    11. The Moral Virtues
    Prudence
    The Gift of Counsel
    Justice
    The Gift of Piety
    Temperance
    The Gift of Fear
    Fortitude
    The Gift of Fortitude

    12. Grades of Prayer
    Vocal Prayer
    Meditation
    Affective Prayer
    Prayer of Simplicity
    Contemplative Prayer
    Prayer of Quiet
    Prayer of Union
    Prayer of Conforming Union
    Prayer of Transforming Union

    13. Aids to Spiritual Growth
    The Presence of God
    Examination of Conscience
    The Desire for Perfection
    Conformity to God's Will
    Fidelity to Grace
    Plan of Life
    Spiritual Reading
    Holy Friendships
    Spiritual Direction

    14. Discernment of Spirits
    Types of Spirits
    Psychosomatic Phenomena
    Extraordinary Mystical Phenomena

    I copied this from Spiritual Theology by Jordan Aumann. Basically speaking our spirituality is based on 3 spiritual ages.

    [FONT=&quot]"The Fathers and theologians distinguish three stages or states of perfection. These are the states of beginners, the state of progress, and the state of the perfect. These states are also designated “ways”, because they are the ways of God by which souls are guided on the road to heaven." [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Another good book explaining the first stage and the beginning of the second is Introduction to Devout Life by St. Frances de Sales.[/FONT]
     

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