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Sometimes my posts are moderated and some times they aren't. Strange.
 

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I have heard that Paul had his own interest in promote his version of christianity to the denigration of even the apostles.
 

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Yeah, let's hear it for the Catholic Church!!
What should have been nothing more than another stupid Judaic offshoot has become a money grubbing, evil, pedophile coveting, hypocritical, murdering, delusional, woman hating, megalomaniac, empire.

There are pedophiles in every church that exists on earth. They just dont seem to make national news. The catholic church doesnt hate women but actually acknowledges that women are just as divine as men and deserve respect. They are not money grubbing but happen to be the largest contributor to charities in the whole world. They are not hypocritical or evil they take a stand against abortion and homosexuality which is popular in the liberal media to be pro homosexuality and pro abortion yet they continue to take the moral position. Ever think that is why the media continually tries to get stories about priests who do wrong things? They never report stories about baptist, islamic, buddhist, jewish ect pedofiles yet they do exist. Its not an empire it is simply a church established by peter the apostle to preach the moral right. Like every church it is made up of human beings who have flaws and sin. Most catholics are pretty good nice people. I get so tired of hearing attacks on the catholic church especially from those brainwashed by the media and even more by those who condone the popular proabortion agenda and progay agenda even though the bible says its wrong.
 

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Nice to see you back, donnann. :)
There are pedophiles in every church that exists on earth. They just dont seem to make national news. The catholic church doesnt hate women but actually acknowledges that women are just as divine as men and deserve respect. They are not money grubbing but happen to be the largest contributor to charities in the whole world. They are not hypocritical or evil they take a stand against abortion and homosexuality which is popular in the liberal media to be pro homosexuality and pro abortion yet they continue to take the moral position. Ever think that is why the media continually tries to get stories about priests who do wrong things? They never report stories about baptist, islamic, buddhist, jewish ect pedofiles yet they do exist. Its not an empire it is simply a church established by peter the apostle to preach the moral right. Like every church it is made up of human beings who have flaws and sin. Most catholics are pretty good nice people. I get so tired of hearing attacks on the catholic church especially from those brainwashed by the media and even more by those who condone the popular proabortion agenda and progay agenda even though the bible says its wrong.
If a Buddhist monk was found to be a pedophile, the Vinyata rules say he is defeated and is to be kicked out of the order, and would have to face the secular authorities. We haven't seen this in the case of the Catholic church.


a) The Four Paaraajika — The Defeaters

The new bhikkhu is told about the Paaraajika Offences immediately after ordination, so he fully knows that they are the most serious of all the offences and that the consequences of transgressing them causes him to be no longer a bhikkhu. The nature of the act that breaks any of these four Paaraajika rules clearly reveals that the bhikkhu is no longer interested in developing the subtle and refined way of Dhamma. The alternative of voluntarily disrobing is always available if he feels he can no longer keep the Rule and this is considered a much better way to handle this sort of overwhelming desire.
A monk automatically falls from being a bhikkhu[31] by committing any of these four offences of Defeat: sexual-intercourse, murder, major-theft, or falsely claiming supernormal abilities. A bhikkhu who falls into any of these four Defeater offences thereby severs himself irrevocably from the bhikkhu community and is no longer considered a bhikkhu. The text portrays it with some vivid similes showing their irreparable nature: as 'a man with his head cut off'; as 'a withered leaf fallen from its stem'; as 'a palm tree cut down'; as 'a broken stone.' For while all the other offences can be remedied, these four are terminal.​
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Nice to see you back, donnann. :)

If a Buddhist monk was found to be a pedophile, the Vinyata rules say he is defeated and is to be kicked out of the order, and would have to face the secular authorities. We haven't seen this in the case of the Catholic church.

a) The Four Paaraajika — The Defeaters

The new bhikkhu is told about the Paaraajika Offences immediately after ordination, so he fully knows that they are the most serious of all the offences and that the consequences of transgressing them causes him to be no longer a bhikkhu. The nature of the act that breaks any of these four Paaraajika rules clearly reveals that the bhikkhu is no longer interested in developing the subtle and refined way of Dhamma. The alternative of voluntarily disrobing is always available if he feels he can no longer keep the Rule and this is considered a much better way to handle this sort of overwhelming desire.
A monk automatically falls from being a bhikkhu[31] by committing any of these four offences of Defeat: sexual-intercourse, murder, major-theft, or falsely claiming supernormal abilities. A bhikkhu who falls into any of these four Defeater offences thereby severs himself irrevocably from the bhikkhu community and is no longer considered a bhikkhu. The text portrays it with some vivid similes showing their irreparable nature: as 'a man with his head cut off'; as 'a withered leaf fallen from its stem'; as 'a palm tree cut down'; as 'a broken stone.' For while all the other offences can be remedied, these four are terminal.​
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When there is merit for an accusation the priests are arrested just like any other person would be. That also doesnt seem to make national news, only the allegations do. Heres one example among many A Catholic priest arrested for pedophilia
 

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Of course a catholic priest is arrested when they find evidence....that is not the problem...the problem is the shuffle of moving an accused priest from one parish to another and put them in a position to abuse again...the problem is the sanctity of the confessional requires that evidence and confessions are not taken to the courts and police for prosecution but by design contained within the system and force the church to continue on its merry way....

You claim the church is the largest contributor to charity...is that by percentage of gross income?, by percentage of worldwide assets and holdings?... and how often are the charitiies they contribute to run by the church itself (self giving) and where do those charities rank in regards to administration costs vs. mission expenses?

And me thinks if you look for data in comparison to catholic church and issues with pedophelia vs protestant in regards to numbers and percentages....you won't be pleased with the results...

However....I'd be interested in looking at the links that you provide to back up all your assertions so we may have an actual discussion.
 

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Of course a catholic priest is arrested when they find evidence....that is not the problem...the problem is the shuffle of moving an accused priest from one parish to another and put them in a position to abuse again...the problem is the sanctity of the confessional requires that evidence and confessions are not taken to the courts and police for prosecution but by design contained within the system and force the church to continue on its merry way....

You claim the church is the largest contributor to charity...is that by percentage of gross income?, by percentage of worldwide assets and holdings?... and how often are the charitiies they contribute to run by the church itself (self giving) and where do those charities rank in regards to administration costs vs. mission expenses?

And me thinks if you look for data in comparison to catholic church and issues with pedophelia vs protestant in regards to numbers and percentages....you won't be pleased with the results...

However....I'd be interested in looking at the links that you provide to back up all your assertions so we may have an actual discussion.
Where is your evidence of the church placing accused pedophiles in positions where they have access to abuse again when they have knowledge of the crime? They do not do that. Its simply assumptions by people who only get half a story by main stream media. The media did report that the catholic church was the largest contributor to charities which surprised me. The catholic church is attacked for two reasons: the stand against homosexuality and the stand against abortion. It is not a popular stand these days. And I guarantee the percentage of abuses in other churches are the same. Churches are made up of people and there are bad apples in every bunch. There is a political agenda to take down the catholic church by gay rights activists and proabortion activists. Also note that there are millions and millions of catholics in the world, so your percentages would have to represent all of those millions world wide when calculating the percentages. The stories of say protestants abusing little boys do NOT make the media , yet stories of catholic priests do. Maybe the catholic church should ban gays from the priesthood. The majority of the abuses are priests abusing little boys which tells me they are attracted to same sex. Maybe that would solve the problem. I bet if they did that the percentages would be extremely low.
 

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sheesh...

sorry...that doesn't deserve a response.

not because I don't have one...but because you know exactly how wrong that thinking is.
 

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Wow, I don't know how you could fit so many wrong things into one small paragraph. so many right wing authoritarian types like to make pronouncements about pedophilia and the gay community without having the slightest bit of evidence. The ignorance is astounding. There is absolutely no evidence in credible psychological research that equates pedophilia and homosexuality, and further the APA is quite clear that homosexuality is not a choice as so many hateful people falsely claim. I don't normally comment on someone's chosen belief system, but any system that includes marginalizing other human beings is pure evil.
 

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Wow, I don't know how you could fit so many wrong things into one small paragraph. so many right wing authoritarian types like to make pronouncements about pedophilia and the gay community without having the slightest bit of evidence. The ignorance is astounding. There is absolutely no evidence in credible psychological research that equates pedophilia and homosexuality, and further the APA is quite clear that homosexuality is not a choice as so many hateful people falsely claim. I don't normally comment on someone's chosen belief system, but any system that includes marginalizing other human beings is pure evil.

Being attracted to same sex says your homosexual. Not only homosexuals abuse children. Also there are many cases of opposite sex. My point was that priests that abuse same sex children are gay pedophiles. That is just a fact. I know that not all gay men abuse children. I have a sister who is gay that I love very much and she doesnt abuse children. The bible does not condone same sex marriages. That cannot be disputed. However I have a theory that there are more than one type of anatomies in gods kingdom and that gays are of a different anatomical and spiritual makeup than straights. I told my sister in gods kingdom she will have her perfect mate with the anatomical makeup of same sex but be opposite sex. That is how I view homosexuality. If you got the wrong impression I apologize.
 

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Wow, I don't know how you could fit so many wrong things into one small paragraph. so many right wing authoritarian types like to make pronouncements about pedophilia and the gay community without having the slightest bit of evidence. The ignorance is astounding. There is absolutely no evidence in credible psychological research that equates pedophilia and homosexuality, and further the APA is quite clear that homosexuality is not a choice as so many hateful people falsely claim. I don't normally comment on someone's chosen belief system, but any system that includes marginalizing other human beings is pure evil.
One more point I forgot to mention. Look at shakiti and shiva in hindu theology. They literally have bisexual anatomy. That is in line with my theory. That when bisexuals enter the kingdom of heaven they will have that bisexual anatomy.
 

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One more point I forgot to mention. Look at shakiti and shiva in hindu theology. They literally have bisexual anatomy. That is in line with my theory. That when bisexuals enter the kingdom of heaven they will have that bisexual anatomy.
And what about the asexuals, donnann?
 

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One more point I forgot to mention. Look at shakiti and shiva in hindu theology. They literally have bisexual anatomy. That is in line with my theory. That when bisexuals enter the kingdom of heaven they will have that bisexual anatomy.

All aspects of energy have a positive and negative - think like a magnet.

The male and female are the positive and negative aspects of biology.

In Tantra, they go deeply into sex as a method for spiritual awakening, the two energies meeting can create a realization of oneness - in this, your statements are perfectly right.

Understand though that the point is not the merging of the opposites, it is what arises from their merging.

Soul and spirit are another aspect of this, certainly, but oneness remains the point.

God and man, another aspect.

Object and subject, inner and outer, hot and cold, up and down, left and right, heart and mind...

When all come together, what is the result?

Do not answer, find out - remembering these are all aspects of energy, represented in the world, but also present in us, thus you don't need other to find out.
 

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However....I'd be interested in looking at the links that you provide to back up all your assertions so we may have an actual discussion.
I never ever saw a link or reference to support your constant assertions about the ills of the Catholic Church.

There is a saying of the wise: "You become what you think about". All you see is the worst, because that's what you've tuned yourself to see. I bet you can't see a priest without thinking 'paedophile', like people who can't see anyone vaguely Mediterranean without thinking 'terrorist'. You're blind to the rest, it passes you straight by.

I know you'll come back with 'some of my best friends are are Catholics', but then, that's what racist says about black people to justify himself, isn't it?

Be careful, old friend.
 

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Ben,

The Eastern Orthodox Church has not been in communion with Rome since 1054 and especially since 1203/1204.
 

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There are pedophiles in every church that exists on earth. They just dont seem to make national news. The catholic church doesnt hate women but actually acknowledges that women are just as divine as men and deserve respect.
Check out this thread:
http://www.interfaith.org/forum/lawsuit-catholic-school-vs-pregnant-16352.html
Fire an unmarried female teacher (who taught computer classes) for being pregnant, {who got pregnant via in-vitro fertilization,} and keep the pedophile priests on staff. Yep, no discrimination going on here....
 

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I never ever saw a link or reference to support your constant assertions about the ills of the Catholic Church.

There is a saying of the wise: "You become what you think about". All you see is the worst, because that's what you've tuned yourself to see. I bet you can't see a priest without thinking 'paedophile', like people who can't see anyone vaguely Mediterranean without thinking 'terrorist'. You're blind to the rest, it passes you straight by.

I know you'll come back with 'some of my best friends are are Catholics', but then, that's what racist says about black people to justify himself, isn't it?

Be careful, old friend.
You need links to the headlines of the world? Seriously?

You become what you think about!! YEA Thomas you are coming around... Tis the law of mind action, thoughts in mind appear in kind. Our thoughts are prayers and we are always praying.

Now I always love it when you tell me what I am thinking....you've been doing it for years... and now you want to insinuate that I somehow spend any significant portion of my life concerning myself with what Catholics get into?

Yes since my son's Boy Scout troop was once a 100% catholic troop (we cured them of that, we've got a jew in and a muslim, a few gays and an atheist or two and are now majority protestant, but dispite repeatedly won the 'Cardinals Troop" honor due to our participation in religious studies and charitable events including those for the archdiocese)...Yes I'll admit I associate with many Catholics....but no I won't say some of my best friends are Catholics as i use that word differently than facebook.

You know the truth my brother, I don't have to rub your nose in it. Either Atheists are going to heaven or the Pope ain't so infallible...big surprise.

While I am saddened by the youth that have been negatively affected...I have better use of my time than to concern myself with the vagaries of your organization....I honor you on your path...but the headlines and stories are either simply sad...or comic relief.

I catch grief all the time for being a white, male, American...and pointing out all the mistakes that my gender, my nation, and my race have committed and strive to improve.... Thank G!d I don't have the burden of being Catholic too!
 
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