Suicide is best thing to do...Buddha

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  1. brijesh

    brijesh New Member

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    Those who think suicide is bad and sin are wrong. Buddha himself was a great follower of suicide and the whole teachings and techniques given by him is to suicide.

    Another indian master Gorakh said " Dio O! Yogi die. Die as much as and become drop. then see the ocean, become the ocean".

    Ruining the body is not death. It is sin. It is riuning you temple. If you dare then kill you mind, drop ego, ruin wishes. Let your body dance on the music of your heart.

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  2. Snoopy

    Snoopy Active Member

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    No; the Buddha was not.

    You make an assertion, the onus is on you to provide support for it.

    I claim the clouds are made of marshmallow.

    See how it works?
     
  3. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    I haven't seen this in any of the suttas. Unless you site relevant suttas, I will treat this as a total fabrication.

    The first lines from Buddha's first discourse after his enlightenment:
    "Monks, these two extremes ought not to be practiced by one who has gone forth from the household life. (What are the two?) There is addiction to indulgence of sense-pleasures, which is low, coarse, the way of ordinary people, unworthy, and unprofitable; and there is addiction to self-mortification, which is painful, unworthy, and unprofitable.
    "Avoiding both these extremes, the Tathagata (The Perfect One) has realized the Middle Path; it gives vision, gives knowledge, and leads to calm, to insight, to enlightenment and to Nibbana. And what is that Middle Path realized by the Tathagata...? It is the Noble Eightfold path, and nothing else, namely: right understanding, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness and right concentration. This is the Middle Path realized by the Tathagata which gives vision, which gives knowledge, and leads to calm, to insight, to enlightenment, and to Nibbana.
    "The Noble Truth of Suffering (dukkha), monks, is this: Birth is suffering, aging is suffering, sickness is suffering, death is suffering, association with the unpleasant is suffering, dissociation from the pleasant is suffering, not to receive what one desires is suffering — in brief the five aggregates subject to grasping are suffering.
    "The Noble Truth of the Origin (cause) of Suffering is this: It is this craving (thirst) which produces re-becoming (rebirth) accompanied by passionate greed, and finding fresh delight now here, and now there, namely craving for sense pleasure, craving for existence and craving for non-existence (self-annihilation).
    "The Noble Truth of the Cessation of Suffering is this: It is the complete cessation of that very craving, giving it up, relinquishing it, liberating oneself from it, and detaching oneself from it.
    "The Noble Truth of the Path Leading to the Cessation of Suffering is this: It is the Noble Eightfold Path, and nothing else, namely: right understanding, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness and right concentration.

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    Buddha taught the cessation of dukkha, which was accomplished via following the Noble Eightfold Path, not through suicide.

    Ruining your body is called the extreme of self-mortification, and it is to be avoided as being unprofitable and unworthy.
     
  4. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    If it is to be found anywhere, I'd believe it to be allegory, metaphor.

    Buddha at enlightenment was no longer Sid... Sid died as a new understanding emerged.

    Paul said "I die daily" Dying to the old thoughts and old ways and being born anew.

    An acorn must die to become and oak tree. Amazing how slow I am and how long it took me to get that. To me if the seed died, it could not become the tree..but reality is, in order to become the tree, it can no longer be the seed.
     
  5. Sam Albion

    Sam Albion akaFrancisKing:ViveLeRoi!

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    Buddha spoke of the panca-maha-dana -- five great gifts:

    not killing
    not stealing
    not having "wrong sex"
    not lying
    not using intoxicants which confuse or weaken the mind.

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    Suicide, in buddhism, is not a "sin", as such, but that does not mean suicide should be encouraged, either. Ultimately, it is an individual's choice.

    Lots of people commit suicide. Generally, people commit suicide because they are unhappy and they feel there is no other way to end their suffering.

    Following the arya-asta-marga (superior eightfold path) is a way to end suffering.

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  6. Sithsaber

    Sithsaber New Member

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    Doesn't suicide go against the dharma as well? (although this gets iffy when we start going into self immolations)


    Still, this is a bullshit thread. Buddha was said to have refuted the Jains or at least a ascetic Jain type forest group that ritually kills itself. Why would he than go on to meditate for a shit ton of time just to come to the same conclusion?

    If shit like this is the norm, I'm out.
     
  7. Sam Albion

    Sam Albion akaFrancisKing:ViveLeRoi!

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    not-killing applies to self as well as others...
     
  8. Dookie Marcus

    Dookie Marcus New Member

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    Uh? I thought Buddha was all about improving ones life and reaching Nirvana? I don't see how the hell suicide would fit in the picture.
     
  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    It is cowardly and trying to escape responsibilities. Hinduism does not approve it.
     
  10. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    Yes, this is how many choose to see suicide but it is a complicated and tender subject. Durkheim saw it as a social problem, still others seek neurological causes, while many view it as an existential or noogenic neurosis.
     
  11. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Funny, I just sdee it as really, really selfish.
     
  12. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    I think many people who don't work in healthcare, specifically mental health feel the same way. Sadly, people with suicidal ideation understand this and often don't come forward for help. The social stigma of depression and suicidal ideation is well known for its effect on people. Ask anyone who works the hotline or works in crisis intervention.
     
  13. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea An ordinary cup of tea

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    Yeah I only talk about my depressions with people who have gone through something similar, it's like describing a colour, either you know it or not. I'm 'lucky' that my entire family have gone through different but dark places, I can be entirely honest with them, my girl isn't so lucky.
     
  14. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    I'm with you, depression is very misunderstood. Often, people wish to reduce human experience to such simplistic terms, presumably to make it easier to understand, and cope with. I understand that kind of psychological uneasiness with the uncertainty that mental health challenges represent, but the truth is, the causes and conditions surrounding suicidal ideation spans a broad range of human experience. It is critical that we address the problem in such a way that people who suffer are not regarded as an "it" but a "thou" (Buber).
     
  15. Gordian Knot

    Gordian Knot Being Deviant IS My Art.

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    Radar, that is the most appallingly insensitive statement I think I have ever seen you write. I am totally shocked.
     
  16. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    I do not believe that Buddhism supports suicide or that Buddha taught suicide as a good way to solve problems. I do not see Buddhist ideas as leaning towards a pro-suicide position.
     
  17. Dookie Marcus

    Dookie Marcus New Member

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    If someone truly wants to die, should we even try to help them?
    I am not pro suicide but I've heard people say suicide is a good thing......


    Pretty fucked up....
     
  18. Dream

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    ...complicated. The motive can be and often is very selfish, and sometimes family members use their own suicide in the most hurtful and vengeful way possible. It can also be a delusion of grandeur. Suicide is often committed along with murder, and sometimes in committing suicide the person feels that they are getting even with the world or controlling it. Doing nothing for others is technically doing harm, so in that sense suicide is a selfish act. The desire to die is natural, however, especially when pain confusion and despair overwhelm the senses. Most suicides are probably avoidable.
     

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