In the context of the material you quoted, I know my statements are true. I know from direct experience. I know that it is very simple. Prior to the simplicity revealed by my experiences I spent years of confused searching. I am no longer searching for happiness, bliss, I've got them already.
OK. But do try and see that the teachings of the Great Traditions transcend the knowable and the experiential.
You argue that you are not in or of the finite realm, but the process of experiencing is itself a finite. If one's knowledge is limited to that which is directly experienced, then the horizon is a finite one, albeit blissful and carefree.
Nothing transcends knowing. Again knowing, a verb. Knowable, a noun. Experience, a verb. Experiential, a noun. You can read my definitions. I have not deviated: To Know is to Experience.
No, I did not argue. I wrote, "I do not live in that realm." I live in the realm of both the "finite" and the "infinite", as we all do.
I am not searching for enlightenment, because I don't care. It happens fine. It doesn't happen, fine.
OK. You're at peace with that ... but that, dare I say, does not necessarily mean one is 'Enlightened'.
I have repeatedly stated I am not an Enlightened One.
I repeat I am here searching for other Bliss Masters, like myself.
Why? 'Bliss' is an experience, but the Great Traditions do not, it seems to me, define Bliss as you appear to. You've argued your right to redefine terms according to your viewpoint, OK, a tad reductive, it seems to me, but that's your bag ... but that will inevitably result in confusion, and it does rather seem to me you've made certain assumptions regarding 'bliss' that I'm not sure the wisdom literature of the world would subscribe to.
Most of the Great Traditions describe Bliss as an experience found in only inner solitude. And they teach techniques to achieve that state. In their limitations they are incorrect.
They deny the reality of the manifest while promoting the reality of the unmanifest. They say things like: "You are not your thoughts."
I say, "You are not just your thoughts".
Perhaps you can see the difference by looking at passive and active meditation.
For me the only reality is experience. When you are in the desert and you see an image. The image is real. You must go closer to determine if the image is a reflection of an oasis, or the actual oasis.
If the image is a reflection, a mirage, when you go closer it will disappear. It the image is the actual oasis, then objects will get larger, terminating at the oasis.
To experience requires change. Which occurs very clearly in everyday life. When we experience change occurring outside of our everyday life, then we may not observe the change. For example, the rotation of a galaxy, or the location of a hummingbird's wings.
I think you overate 'experience', and here is, for me, the nub of the issue.
Why do you have to experience something to believe in it? And how does one come to terms with the practice of asceticism, of self-denial, and above all, if the great mystics are to be believed, detachment?
You don't have to experience something to believe in it. That's the point. You have to experience something to know
I give you a drug which puts you to sleep. I put you in a box into which no light arrives. I take you, and the box, to a location outdoors. Only you and I are present. We are at the edge of a forest, in the shade.
You wake up. And yell, "Where am I?"
I tell you, "You are in a box with me next to it. The box is in the shade at the edge of a forest and the time is noon."
You, "I know I'm in a box. I can feel (experience
)it. But why should I believe you that it's noon and the box is in the shade at the edge of a forest."
I say, "You don't believe me. How foolish you are. I am a great sage. Master of all 7 paths to knowledge. Why would I lie?"
You, "I don't know. Why are you lying to me?"
I open the box. You experience the shade, you experience the edge of the forest. You experience the sun high in the sky.
You no longer act upon belief, faith. You act upon experiencing, knowing.
Bliss, achieved by detaching oneself from all mental and material cares, and ignoring the world ... I have my doubts.
The first words which came from my last epiphany as a normal, everyday human were:
I don't care!
It doesn't matter.
All there is, is Love.
I had entered into the realm of Unconditional Love, which was no longer a choice.
Here's a serious matter.
Do I believe in an 'afterlife' as proposed by the Great Traditions? Do I believe in 'heaven' or 'nirvana'? Well, I hope so.
Is it necessary? No. If it proved not to be the case, would that alter your beliefs? No.
All this discussion of a 'reward' (and it seems to me to be viewed in somewhat materialist terms these days. I'm not sure our forebears ever saw it that way) might well be what the Buddhists refer to as an upaya, an expedient pedagogy.
The experience is its own reward. No need to seek again. Wherever I am, I am in "heaven", as you called it.
The teacher seeks to get closer to a shared awareness by reminding the student, through, actions of the student's basic nature, which all share. The teacher acts as a catalyst triggering the student to remember, or to know, the student's reality.
I am seeking other Bliss Masters to share notes, so to speak. We each have unique experiences, but that which underlies those experiences is the same. And Bliss Mastery has a common language, of Love and Truth, and of Compassion and Passion. I feel it would be neat if more people lived in Bliss. Not Blissed Out. Not Frenetic Bliss. Just lil' ol', One foot in Heaven and One foot on the Ground, Common Sense Bliss.
A Bliss Master moves through and beyond the realms of Trust, Faith, Belief, Expectation, Hope, Judgment, and Attachment/Detachment.