Why Would an Atheist Join a Faith Based Forum?

Bhaktajan II

Hare Krishna Yogi
Messages
2,277
Reaction score
115
Points
63
Where do you stand on the "I'll believe in a god when you show me proof" question.

Krishna proclaims I AM BRAHMAN. BRAHMAN IS MY SHINING BODILY EFFULGENCE.

Wait for it . . . .

No where else is such endless direct evidence provided to the most enlightened regions of the world since time immemorial.

My evidence requires a walk-through tour that will provide as much evidence as your patience can handle.
 

wil

UNeyeR1
Moderator
Messages
23,167
Reaction score
2,657
Points
108
Location
a figment of your imagination
Buddhism. Which is why I think: Atheist? Ya'll ain't no Atheist .... unless you're at least a Buddhist .... because then, you can have a REAL ABSOLUTE Vocabulary to espouse REAL ABSOLUTE Atheism. [which of course that expertise would include karma & repeated birth/deaths since time immemorial]
Really? You trying to say all Atheists must believe in Karma and rebirth? of the ones I know...some went there...and went away scoffing...most believe they came from stardust, and will return to dust on the planet in which they reside.
 

Bhaktajan II

Hare Krishna Yogi
Messages
2,277
Reaction score
115
Points
63
No where else has "THE PATH OF NIRVANA [aka, oblivion]" been provided to the world since time immemorial.

The path will provide as much evidence as endless patience can rationalise.
 

Bhaktajan II

Hare Krishna Yogi
Messages
2,277
Reaction score
115
Points
63
...most believe they...

"They believe"?

It was Sages for millennium(s) that past it down.
The maestro said so,
The practitioners said so,
The textbooks said so.

Who is they?

An ego that flickered for a moment?

If a spark flickered for a moment? ---When did it flicker? In the past? In the future? Now? Not yet? Who says when the spark flickered?
Is there any benchmark for when a spark flickers?

When flickering egos reflect each-other's they form a school of thought.

Thoughts are all flickering.
 

Maranguape

Active Member
Messages
33
Reaction score
0
Points
6
Where do you get your info as to what atheist believes? Are you an atheist interpreter? They only believe in one less god than you.

I was only expressing my opinion based on what I read from atheistic posts.
 

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
Is it possible to define an atheist as one who believes that God -- as a disembodied spiritual intelligence -- does not exist?

Uness intelligent aliens exist out there somewhere, does this mean that mankind owns the highest intelligence in the universe?

This is quite a depressing philosophy, considering who mankind has selected as President and Commander in Chief to lead the most powerful nation on their planet?
 
Last edited:

wil

UNeyeR1
Moderator
Messages
23,167
Reaction score
2,657
Points
108
Location
a figment of your imagination
Is it possible to define an atheist as one who believes that God -- as a disembodied spiritual intelligence -- does not exist?

This means, unless intelligent aliens exist out there somewhere, that mankind owns the highest intelligence in the universe?

Which is quite a depressing philosophy, considering that mankind selected Donald Trump to lead the most powerful nation on their planet?
He didn't win the atheist vote.

He was the choice of the religious conservatives...

I don't understand your point.
 

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
He didn't win the atheist vote.

He was the choice of the religious conservatives...

I don't understand your point.

Ok -- considering that as a collective intelligence we are destroying the rainforests, constantly at war, eat all our food from plastic containers we throw into the oceans, etc? Is that the religious conservatives too?
 

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
Why did I let myself be drawn, lol?

The point is about mankind's claim to being the highest intelligence in the universe, because disembodied intelligence cannot exist?
 
Last edited:

Namaste Jesus

Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai
Moderator
Messages
3,842
Reaction score
1,190
Points
108
Location
Between Celestial Planes
Is it possible to define an atheist as one who believes that God -- as a disembodied spiritual intelligence -- does not exist?

Uness intelligent aliens exist out there somewhere, does this mean that mankind owns the highest intelligence in the universe?

This is quite a depressing philosophy, considering who mankind has selected as President and Commander in Chief to lead the most powerful nation on their planet?
That's a good one...LOL! If there is no god, that makes mankind the most intelligent force in the universe. That's the strongest argument for the existence of God I've ever heard! Pure "covfefe" !:D
 
Last edited:

A Cup Of Tea

Well-Known Member
Messages
3,311
Reaction score
569
Points
108
Uness intelligent aliens exist out there somewhere, does this mean that mankind owns the highest intelligence in the universe?
Intelligence is just a measurement of mental faculty and does not imply morality nor excludes self-destructive behavior. I personally wouldn't put God in the same category as anything intelligent.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RJM

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
Intelligence is just a measurement of mental faculty and does not imply morality nor excludes self-destructive behavior. I personally wouldn't put God in the same category as anything intelligent.
Yes, but in the absence of embodied intelligence anywhere else but here, it makes mankind the owner of the highest known intelligence?

Jokes about mankind's intelligence are the side issue. The issue is that anyone who 'believes' in any god, accepts the principle of disembodied 'mind' -- whatever the quality of that mind/intelligence?
 

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
..."covfefe"

I'll be looking that up when I get Google back, lol. Internet thin here.

But perhaps the truth is that while we have fun discussing possibilities, no atheists attend because it's not a programme on their menu, there's not even an off/on switch. Not even an empty place?
 
Last edited:

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
It's like, I'm not going to even enter a discussion on say, a flat earth ...
 
Last edited:

Namaste Jesus

Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai
Moderator
Messages
3,842
Reaction score
1,190
Points
108
Location
Between Celestial Planes
I'll be looking that up when I get Google back, lol. Internet thin here.
That's just something President Trump tweeted a while back people have been having fun with. Lot's of speculation as to the meaning, but judging by the proximity of the letters on the keyboard, I'd say he meant to type coffee and "covfefe" was just a fat fingered typo. Media made the usual splash though, so Trump just kept 'em guessing and never corrected it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RJM

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
Sympathy for another day in the life of a fat fingered tweeting potus, lol ...
 

wil

UNeyeR1
Moderator
Messages
23,167
Reaction score
2,657
Points
108
Location
a figment of your imagination
That's just something President Trump tweeted a while back people have been having fun with. Lot's of speculation as to the meaning, but judging by the proximity of the letters on the keyboard, I'd say he meant to type coffee and "covfefe" was just a fat fingered typo. Media made the usual splash though, so Trump just kept 'em guessing and never corrected it.
Umm...err...not coffee, coverage, there wasn't much contention or confusion on what was meant...just the level of what is accepted from a leader if the world.... I sincerely hope he decides to step down as his condition gets worse... The quote was...

"Despite the constant negative press covfefe"
 
  • Like
Reactions: RJM

possibility

Member
Messages
18
Reaction score
2
Points
3
Getting back to topic...

I wouldn't say I am an atheist, myself. I was raised Catholic, but my current understanding of 'God' is such that I feel I can no longer call myself Catholic or Christian, or deist for that matter - because I disagree with certain fundamental beliefs (the trinity, the divinity of Jesus or his bodily resurrection, God as a 'being', etc).

If I openly question these fundamental beliefs without providing an alternative belief, then I might be assumed to be atheist. But I cannot say that I have no belief in 'God' - only that there is no single definition or description of 'God' provided by any religion that fits with my experience of it. In my opinion, it's the case of the elephant and the blind men - there is truth in the experience of all of them, but not one of their conclusions is correct.

The absence of evidence to support the existence of something does not prove its non-existence, in my opinion. And the one thing that science can state for certain is that the more we know or understand about the universe, the more we find still to learn or to understand.

I know many of you now are searching for a category to place me in, or questions to ask so that I can be neatly defined as agnostic theist, panentheist, jianist, etc. I've probably heard them all, and I respectfully refuse to be labelled, if it's all the same to you.

I can choose to ignore and even deny, but cannot prove or disprove a certain 'spiritual' awareness - something that for one reason or another not everyone is able or willing to tap into. I think as humans we have become increasingly adept at dismissing what doesn't fit into a logical and ordered view of the world. I can see how this might give atheists some small comfort, but it's as narrow a view of the world as a fundamentalist, in my opinion. They're missing out on a valuable aspect of the human experience.

In my opinion spirituality defies definition and scientific enquiry because it exists only in the subjective experience of humanity. Religion is simply an attempt to make that awareness seem more real (and then to try and harness its power) by squeezing it into some natural or manmade format that can be shared: words, rituals, creeds, theologies, animal worship, sacred places, music, art, symbolism, etc. All of these are poor representations of the subjective experience itself.

I guess what I'm saying is that not everyone who sounds like an atheist in these forums may be an atheist, and even if they call themselves 'atheist', it doesn't mean they're not aware of something that defies definition and scientific enquiry. I use the word 'God' because of my own Christian background, but I completely understand those who prefer to leave it undefined, unmentioned even.

Because for me, this 'spiritual' awareness is undefinable and indescribable. It can only be experienced subjectively, and any genuine understanding of it lies beyond the scope of mere words. There's the rub.
 

Thomas

Administrator
Admin
Messages
12,598
Reaction score
2,754
Points
108
It can only be experienced subjectively, and any genuine understanding of it lies beyond the scope of mere words. There's the rub.
The same can be said of any experience, indeed every experience is experienced subjectively ‚ but that does not mean we should not say anything about anything we experience.

But we do enter difficult terrain when we make absolute statements like 'any genuine understanding of it lies beyond the scope of mere words' — we can speak for ourselves, our own experience, but we cannot make such de facto pronouncements regarding the experience of others.

It may not simply, or only, that the speaker cannot put certain orders of experience into words, it may equally be that the speaker can, but the hearer lacks the comprehension to receive what is being said: "Let he who has the ears to hear, let him hear".

Words are symbols, they connect thoughts, concepts, ideas, and they can also convey essences and presences.

The right word can change lives, the right word can 'rock your world' ... words are perhaps the most powerful thing in the cosmos — don't underestimate the power of words.
 
Top