Is Islam peaceful?

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  1. Abdullah

    Abdullah Member

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    it might be directed at the real God using the idol as a medium, but that's exactly the unforgivable sin described by Allah in Quran:

    [az-Zumar 39:3]

    “And they worship besides Allah things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allah.’ Say: ‘Do you inform Allah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?’ Glorified and Exalted be He above all that which they associate as partners with Him!

    "Verily, Allah forgives not the sin of setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom He wills sins other than that. And whoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, has indeed strayed far from the path."(4:116)
     
  2. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Well-Known Member

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    Habibi,

    Our communication is extremely pleasurable to me.

    The lost scriptures ---lost to mankind's royal leaders--- if they exist must a] exist and then b] must be read and c] everyone else it must read a translation.

    So this has been a 2,000 old topic. The many versions of translations exist. For a long time those books were not allowed to be read by common folks.

    So we are recipients of God's causeless mercy that we have the Holy Books and we can read them.

    The quotes you cited are surely specific and are in a context that I cannot decipher. Moreover, how is it that old-English King- James Version-like Quran verses would be translated? Why not Quran verses translated in plain English?
     
  3. Nabeel Raza

    Nabeel Raza New Member

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    Islam is a beautiful religion, it's a peaceful religion, full of happiness. Allah is the compassionate and most merciful.
     
  4. Arif Ghamiq

    Arif Ghamiq Active Member

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    Islam is perfect...

    Muslims are not
     
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  5. yandex

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    If that's the case, please explain the following verse.

    And with those who say: "Lo! we are Christians," We made a covenant, but they forgot a part of that whereof they were admonished. Therefor We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will inform them of their handiwork. (Quran 5 14)
     
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  6. Arif Ghamiq

    Arif Ghamiq Active Member

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    There are consequences for our actions.

    The same thing has happened to the Muslims today - due to deviations, hostile division has occurred among us. The first example of this is the story of the sons of Adam (as).

    Being compassionate doesn't mean not holding someone responsible for what they do.

    Rahman (Most Compassionate) and Raheem (Most Merciful) are two of Allah's Names - there are many others, such as Haseeb ( The One Who takes account) Muntaqim (Avenger), Ghafur (Most Forgoving), Khafid (The One Who lowers), Rafi' (Upraiser), Mudhill (Huliliator), Mu'izz (Giver of honor & might).

    Allah has said according to Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (saww) "My Rahmah (Mercy/Compassion) overcomes My Wrath."
     
  7. yandex

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    I'm not a Christian, but this is very vile of an supposedly All Mighty & Merciful God.
    He can spread love among them & then make them see light/deen if He wants to. Why intentionally spread hatred?
    Spreading hatred is an evil behavior not a divine one.
    Btw, isn't Allah who already decided whom He will lead to light & whom He will astray? Does this make any sense?

    ..Then ALLAH leaves to go astray whom HE wills and guides whom HE wills. And HE is the Mighty, the Wise

    (Quran 14 4)
     
  8. Arif Ghamiq

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    Every thing is under the Will of The Creator. He could have led Shaytan (Satan) to righteous, or Cain, or those who rejected Nuh/Noah, or Pharaoh - He did not.

    Likewise Allah could have allowed the righteous Believer to go astray. No one should ever feel proud that they have turned to faith, but rather thankful to Al Hadi (The Guide) Who has guided them to it.
     
  9. A Cup Of Tea

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    Irony?
     
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  10. StevePame

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    How is this an interfaith statement?
     
  11. HakimPtsid

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    I really hate the "Islam is a religion of peace" meme, because it completely ignores what's going on.

    It's not simply that Islam is a singular thing and there are a few terrorists going around bombing places. The truth of the situation is far more polarizing (as a Muslim too). We have two major schools of thought, one leaning towards more literal readings (Sunni) and one leaning toward more esoteric readings [as applicable] (Shia).
    Now on their own, they are generally ok. There is a little bit on animosity between the two (some Sunni's consider Shia unbelievers, which is a hint towards what I'm leading to). Shia have historically been more peaceful for several reasons but overall it is likely because of it's highly diverse beliefs over it's many, many sects. Sunni on the other hand have a far stricter belief system (and seem to live by ticking boxes).

    Around 300 years ago, a kind of counter-Islam that considered both regular Sunni and Shia to be idolaters, arose out of Sunnism. The key figure being Ibn Abd al-Wahhab. This school of radical hyperconservativism has, is and does continue to destroy Islam from the inside and out. Again, they see everyone else as heretics and are trying to replace the major Muslim world with themselves - and seeing how in certain countries the laymen tend to be even more uneducated, it is seen as default Islam in some parts by such people. It's known as Wahhabism (or Salafism) and it's dangerous, the cause of 911, the methodology behind ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Saudi Arabia.

    Of course, there are still issues within regular legal traditions in Sunni Islam - it's no secret, and in general I'm personally adverse to Sunnism (for theological reasons foremost) but when we see a terrorist, we've got to be asking "what school of thought specifically inspired this person?" rather than the meaningless question of whether Islam is peaceful or not.
     
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  12. AlanT

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    So, you are saying that the three core texts of Islam and the behaviour of its perfect originator that people are supposed to replicate contain no violence or calls for violence?
     
  13. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin Moderator

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    Do you think Islam is a text or three?
     
  14. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Alan, what is your definition of interfaith?

    Does it lean toward finding peaceful coexistence or fearful division?
     
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  15. OrtaYol

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    I don't consider Islam a religion of peace. For me a true religion of peace would be pacifist. While peace, mercy and forgiveness are encouraged, the Quran expects its followers act in the face of evil and oppression. Islam is a guide to living your life in a manner pleasing to God in all circumstances, as a result of our nature and the nature of our reality this includes circumstances where violence must be dealt with and dealt.
     
  16. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Before nation of Islam, many were pacifists....

    Cassius Clay, Lou Alcinder.
     
  17. OrtaYol

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    That's because the wars they were called to fight in were not worthy by Islamic standards. Also you are referring to individual Muslims, I am referring to the text of the Quran.
     
  18. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    If you don't have a sword sell your stuff and get one?

    Which verse you have issues?

    Or are you just flipping thru threads and playing devils advocate?
     
  19. OrtaYol

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    I have no issues with the Quran. In my opinion it is flawless.
     
  20. Truthseeker9

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    The Baha'i Faith isn't pacifist, either. It provides that if one nation attacks another, all other nations should subdue that nation and remove that government that started the war. If a Baha'i is drafted by a nation, they are not to take part in killing soldiers if they are allowed by the government to do so, but they should cooperate with their government and support the war effort in another way, because we believe in obedience in the government. We don't believe in the primacy of the individual conscience over the judgement of the whole nation.

    With reference to the absolute pacifists, or conscientious objectors to war; their attitude, judged from the Bahá’í standpoint is quite anti-social and due to its exaltation of the individual conscience leads inevitably to disorder and chaos in society. Extreme pacifists are thus very close to the anarchists, in the sense that both of these groups lay an undue emphasis on the rights and merits of the individual. The Bahá’í conception of social life is essentially based on the subordination of the individual will to that of society. It neither suppresses the individual nor does it exalt him to the point of making him an anti-social creature, a menace to society. As in everything, it follows the ‘golden mean’. The only way that society can function is for the minority to follow the will of the majority. The other main objection to the conscientious objectors is that their method of establishing peace is too negative. Non-cooperation is too passive a philosophy to become an effective way for social reconstruction. Their refusal to bear arms can never establish peace. There should first be a spiritual revitalization which nothing, except the Cause of God, can effectively bring to every man’s heart.

    Shoghi Effendi, “Directives from the Guardian”
     

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