DOES GOD LEARN FROM MEN?

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  1. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely.

    But then, is not true love a sweet surrender?
     
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    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Our thoughts are prayers
    Sadly, no. Most thoughts are not even ours, even though we assume they are.

    And a prayer is something specific, that's why it's called a prayer, and not a thought.

     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    It does go on, though:

    ... Seek a higher consciousness
    A state of peacefulness
    As every thought becomes a prayer.
     
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    Yes, but with no clear direction where.

    'Higher consciousness' means different things to different people and, stand alone, is nigh-on meaningless. Generally, I think it still means my consciousness, just my being a little more mindful about whatever I choose to be mindful of ... An atheist would embrace the term with greater ease than a Sufi, for example.

    Peacefulness the same. Who doesn't want peace?
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    "... who constantly thinks of the joy of God, who constantly prays to Him, becomes one with the infinite.

    When once you have heard the voice of God you are on your way to the highest states of consciousness. You will know God as immanent and transcendent, personal and impersonal. You will worship Him as Spirit, and love Him in manifest form as the Nearest of the near."
    Yogananda Paramahansa: Personal and Impersonal God (The Divine Romance)

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    . True prayer is an expression of the soul, an urge from the soul. It is a hunger for God that arises from within, expressing itself to Him ardently, silently ..."
    http://yogananda.com.au/pyr/pyr_prayer.html
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    Selfishness. Desire to run faster, jump higher,.know more,.be better.squash the competition
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    Lol, You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar.

    If G!d hears our thoughts .knows our thoughts I think it silly to consider he discounts them.

    Picture a kid kneeling by his bedside at night praying for better family relationships...yet that day he curses his father when he has to now the lawn , fights with his sister when he is asked to help with the dishes.

    I think those are all heard, all those negative thoughts come thru stronger than that liile.show on your knees
     
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    LOL, No, that's not prayer at all.

    St. John Damascene defined prayer as
    "...the raising of one's mind and heart to God ..."

    St. Thérèse of Lisieux describes prayer as:
    "... a surge of the heart; it is a simple look turned toward heaven, it is a cry of recognition and of love, embracing both trial and joy."

    It's the citations RJM offers above.

    Actually, the BIG secret of prayer, or rather, the nature of mystical (sometimes called infused) prayer is that it's not we who pray, it's the Holy Spirit who prays in/with us. In us there's the required a priori disposition which makes us receptive.
     
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    Somebody piss in your cereal bowl already this year?
     
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    See? :D Now you think I'm in a bad mood...

    I'm just pointing out how often your opinions are shaped by negative images.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    What's that thing again that you once said: about first coming to a point of not resisting God?
     
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    To answer or consider the question, "Does God learn from man?". I'd have to believe that God is a Theist, which I dont.
     
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    Seems to me it is you that perceives the negativity everywhere, but that is OK... Happy New Year.
     
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    Everybody's perception is based on their past experiences, that applies to all of us.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    In a sacred manner I live. To the heavens I gazed. In a sacred manner I live. My horses are many.

    Sioux Song
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Found it ...
    Profound
     
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    Learning to see the Christ in all, seeing G!d in everyone, everything... Seeking that higher consciousness is surely not such a selfish nor easy endeavor.
     
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    Indeed, how much we are a prisoner of that is a different matter. It's called having an open mind.
     
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    God doesn't have to will it. If He knows I am going to do something that I have not yet done how can I do otherwise?

    Your parent analogy is flawed imo. You didn't really know what they were going to do, not in the sense that God knows things. You made an educated prediction which turned out to be right. A more accurate version of it would be something like..

    Your daughters are running, ahead of them is a pit that if they fall into it will cause them immense suffering. You know with absolute certainty(you are never wrong in this analogy) that they will fall in even though you don't want them to fall in, even though you have told them to be careful and informed them of the path that leads to the pit, you have known before they were born that they would fall and hurt themselves.

    In this scenario how do they avoid the pit? They would have to prove you wrong, but since you are never wrong their task is impossible and since you brought them into this world knowing that you have set them a task they could not succeed at, how can they be blamed for failing?

    My point is basically freewill precludes foreknowledge. Therefor the only way it makes sense for God to be omniscient and not know the future is if the future doesn't exist.

    sorry for the late reply, happy new year people :)
     
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