This is a spin off from another thread, one where it was asserted:- "If religious knowledge did not depend on logic, theological conclusions would be worthless" This assertion was for me a "slow burner." Eventually I responded by saying that in a strange sense (not intended) the assertion suggested........ Recognising that "Western" and "Eastern" logic are at loggerheads, and the possibility that "theological conclusions" are worthless! Thomas Merton writes:- For Zen, from the moment fact is transferred to a statement it is falsified. One ceases to grasp the naked reality of experience and one grasps a form of words instead. The verification that Zen seeks is not to be found in a dialectical transaction involving the reduction of fact to logical statement and the reflective verification of statement by fact. On his Asian pilgrimage, Merton read from "The Central Philosophy of Buddhism" (i.e Madhyamika) by T R V Murti, and noted in his Journal:- Murti on Madhyamika: “Its dialectic is of crucial importance. This dialectic is the consciousness of the total and interminable conflict in reason and the consequent attempt to resolve the conflict by rising to a higher standpoint.” Merton concluded his musings with:- It was Buddha’s aim not to give a “final” speculative answer but to be free from all theories and to know, by experience, “the nature of form and how form arises and how form perishes.” He wanted “not a third position lying between two extremes but a no-position that supersedes them both.” This is the Middle Way. D T Suzuki, contrasts "western" logic, associated with Aristotle, of A cannot be A and not A at the same time, with an "eastern" logic “the logic of simultaneous identification and differentiation,” where, in effect, A is A because it is not A. Those familiar with the the texts of Mahayana Buddhism will have some familiarity with statements made with such "logic" as base. Suzuki, writing of Pure Land Buddhism, says:- The self-power is logical and therefore intelligible, appealing to ordinary minds, but the other-power is altogether irrational, and the fact is that this irrationality makes up human life. So there we have it - or not! Our human life is one of paradox, as lived not following the paths of strict "western" logic. And given that we are (according to the Abrahamic Faiths) made in the image of God, why should God be "logical", or indeed His ways towards us? If Reality is not "logical" (in the "western" sense) the problem becomes one of communication. So, back to the beginning:- If religious knowledge did not depend on logic, theological conclusions would be worthless" (Or, possibly, severely limited in scope) If others just think this is all nonsensical, just ignore it. As I have said before, my strong point has never been logic! But if anyone wishes to make a comment, or even clarify, please do so.