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  1. juantoo3

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    Who started the hate, the day after Trump was elected, before he was even in office? But he's supposed to keep silent as more and more hate gets shoveled on from the left??? Nah, enough is enough. I see him retaliating, and the left is back on its heels - OMG! *That's* not supposed to happen!

    Shouldn't dish it out if you can't eat it too...
     
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    Who started the lies the day after Trump was elected? Remember his crowd was bigger than Obama's. Bigger than anyone's ever? Biggest ever in the whole history of the world. Who lied: the press? The press reported it, is all.
    Crap, my friend. If you're talking about Trump, don't drag God into it. That's what I meant.

    Are you trying to persuade me to like Trump?

    I dislike Trump. I really do dislike most everything about him. Call it what you want. To me he is a very unpleasant human being. Whatever words you want to use.

    So give me a break. You can hero worship him if you want to. But leave me out of it, please.

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    I know @Cino. Unfortunately watching politicians completely reverse their heartfelt conviction overnight in order to progress or keep their jobs -- those who parrot election slogans while they determne the course of our world -- sad but true it is what I feel.

    Though not perhaps quite as horribly severe and terribly inhuman as you describe. Brrr ...

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    And then of course there are the barrel bombers and the torturers and the Korea Kims and the Bolsanaros burning down the Amazon, etc.
     
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    Yes, exactly. Who did? It wasn't Trump. And the "bragging" about his inauguration was a couple months later...the media slander began in November, Trump took office in January.

    I didn't bring you into it, you were already there. I will not sit and silently read the garbage anymore. From here out the left will get as good as they give...maybe a taste better!

    Can't stand the heat? Stay out of the kitchen.
     
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    If someone is ugly, or evil, or hateful...why do we grab their ugliness and keep it close to our hearts? Just thinking bad of someone is a mistake. We should only keep love in our hearts. Everything else is a mistake and a diservice to our selves, our minds and our hearts. Everyone deserves infinite compassion, particularly the evil ones, for great is their condmenation in the compendium of the mind--the mind being; the realm of i n f i n i t e possibilies.

    Love means total knowledge, absolute bliss, peace, prosperity, and freedom from suffering.
     
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    Unfortunately, hate its power in our time.
     
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    I think this is somewhat sentimental ... one who loves is not preserved or magically protected against contingency.
     
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    For old Trumpie? Sorry, no, lol
     
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    Having read many of your guys posts since as far back as 10 years ago, and never once having seen you open your mind to new information, always staying firmly tied to your psychological conditioning, its safe to assume you guys wont mind wasting hours on here explaning to me why Hate is the truth and Love is pure sentimental nonsense. And why its totally OK to hate people like trump, why its totally rational and reasonable and a good way of cultivating happiness and inner peace to hate bad people. I've seen it on so many posts...people just give up. One wise poster here once said "most people wont take the time to explain things to you like I am doing Thomas" and that person was totally right. You guys are "right" by default, simply because no one who gets these things (and what a beautiful and glorious thing to get, Love!) will be foolish enough to waste their time with close minded people. Its like going to Trump and saying "hey man, as a 60 year old man, is this the kind of example you want to send to the new generation? That hate and violence and being a disgusting person is OK and the way to succeed in life?" You might as well say those words to the wind cause a person like trump doesnt care about future generations, or about anyone else, not even his own children, or the children of the world, so he wont understand. And why does trump not care about anyone? Because he has no love. So if you hate him, you are just like him; both are hateful persons. At which point its basically like hating yourself.
     
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    Who is saying that?
     
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    But for those who are interested in the subject, who are interested in hearing things they dont know:

     
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    Oh, Krisnamurti. Yes I'm familiar with him. But I much prefer Yogananda Paramahansa.

    But imo here is the one who showed what real love means in the real world:

    Michelangelo's_Pieta_5450_cropncleaned_edit.jpg
     
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    Thats a wonderful marble sculpture. What is its meaning?
     
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    It's the pieta by Michaelangelo. The meaning and mystery of the Crucufixion has filled libraries and occupied the minds of kings and beggars alike for a long time.

    Look at the pieta

    Are you a theosophist?
     
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    The ultimate sacrifice, right? Like a firefighter going into a burning building to save a child.


    "No religion higher than truth" Since I recognize this as a fact, I could never be a theosophist or attach myself to any religion or organization.
     
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    I look at if more as Mary reflecting on the prophecy of Simeon when she and her spouse brought the month-old Jesus to His presentation at the Temple: "Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted; And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed." (Luke 2:34-35)
     
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    Back to Trumpo.



    It's not a parody. He really said this about Obama is 2011
     
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    Ah. I assume that is, in part, addressed to me? :rolleyes:

    Let me clarify for you:
    Hate is classically one of the 'seven deadly sins' (commonly: wrath). Like all sin, it's addictive, toxic and self-destructive.

    Love, on the other hand, is the Spirit of and Participation in the Divine.

    Look, I would request, at the Pieta a bit deeper ... contemplate a moment longer ...

    Mary cradles her dead son in her lap, there is sorrow in her face, but also serenity. She offers her dead son for our gaze — She does not clasp Him to herself as a more sentimental artist might have portrayed her — Her left hand invites us to look. I could speak further about precisely what she is inviting us to look at, but this is a secular thread, not the place for mystical contemplation or speculation.

    (And we must, of course, acknowledge Michelangelo's genius.)

    Keep looking: her knowledge is not 'total', how could it be, that which she comprehends is Infinite, Unknowable because in its depths there is nothing to be known, it's not knowledge, it's faith that underpins her certitude. Absolute bliss? I don't think so. There is only one Absolute. I think this is a modernist chimera, pedalled in the west particularly by charlatans from the East. In the Paradise of the Desert Fathers its says: "One of the Fathers asked Abba John the Dwarf, ‘What is a monk?’ He said, ‘He is toil. The monk toils at all he does. That is what a monk is.” I think that's as true in the sangha as it is the monastery. The advice of the illumined seems to be 'Begin every day as if you are just beginning'.

    Peace, that I'll grant you, as long as we're talking "the peace of God, which transcends all understanding" (Philippians 4:7)

    Prosperity? Too close to the 'prosperity gospel', aka the American Dream, for my liking.

    And freedom from suffering? ... I suppose to the outsider it appears that way.
     
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    Well as one of those guys who was here ten years ago, might I point out that I have indeed an open mind, and have changed my way of thinking in light of new information, and anyone with sufficient discrimination would see that.

    In my experience the 'psychologically conditioned' come and go with a lot of bluster, never lasting long ...

    Where I stand firm is when things are 'explained' to be based on flawed reasoning, faulty data, or plain prejudice — defending the Catholic Tradition you get a lot of all three — I respond with, I hope, sufficient argument to make my case.

    Long gone now, contributors such as Bananabrain, BobX, Vajradhara and others have given me cause to pause and reconsider ... current contributors have done the same and continue to do so.

    If I suffer any 'psychological conditioning' I put that down to my Gaelic genes. That's hardwired and there's nowt I can do about that. I do enjoy dialogue and I do rise to the challenge and the dispute, I can be outspoken and 'robust', forgive me if I use an overused Scots/English word, I do enjoy 'the crack' (more commonly Gaelicised as 'craic' these days ...), being a sleeve-roller by disposition ...

    But hate? I try not to allow those demons in. Hypocrisy is another matter, but then I take the lead from my Paradigm Master, and Our Lord gave short shrift to hypocrisy whenever He encountered it.

    Perhaps if you asked us to explain our position before resorting to pejorative judgement calls, there might be more fruitful discussion?
     
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