Past, Present, Beyond?

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  1. KnowSelf

    KnowSelf Active Member

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    In the past 40 years are moralistic values and social accountability more or less than present day. Are fewer people attending religious and spiritual teachings today than forty years ago?

    Is there any corelation between morality and lack of spiritual and religious participation? Suppose times change and people become in spiritual matters, would people act differently?

    Imagine a movement that opens mind and soul of all people.
     
  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    40 years... 1979 till today?

    Anecdotal i suppose, but for me 79 rocked.
     
  3. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    I don't know about global trends. In 79 I was very young, we were living in a country with the most inhumane social injustice institutionalized at the administrative and legislative level that you can imagine existing in the 20th century. Any yet, those my family interacted with, the privileged, voting population, were very devout people who participated regularly in their religious communities.

    So I don't believe there is a direct causal link between religious participation and ethical behaviour at all.
     
  4. Thomas

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    I'd say less, but from a given perspective.

    What seems to be happening on a broad scale is the liberal social agenda is failing, the ideas just don't pack the punch necessary to stand up to the emergence of the right which runs on a 'put me first' agenda, which is understandably difficult to counter.

    The young might espouse liberal social ideals, but I'm not sure they have the same values as we did? Extinction Revolution to the fore in that, but then the young have a different experience and pressures, social media foremost with its more negative aspects — it's given the 'nasty right' a platform (not to ignore the 'nasty left' which has scuttled the socialist dream of the Labour Party in the UK)

    Yes

    No, I don't think so. To say that the non-religious are inherently less moral and ethical is wrong.

    No such thing. The issue's not with movements or ideas, it's people that's the problem.
     
  5. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Reading Thomas points makes me consider or think here in the United States from my perspective again our Evangelical support for Trump is church-going folks ignoring his immorality. I'm currently take the morality of the non church-going folks any day.
     
  6. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    There are people who need regulation and orders and a uniform and being on a routine; there are others who need to question everything they are told, to avoid being conned by the system.

    The problem is when the basically lunatic extremists on both sides completely drown the voice of the moderate and reasonable majority.

    I think social media stokes the extremism by putting out shallow memes half truths and one sided so-called news -- sometimes deliberate lies.

    Social media features highly. It started in a way with the 'Arab Spring' and not all the effects of that populism have been of benefit to most of the people?
     
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  7. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    I think people are naturally good...

    I don't think organized religion has changed that for the better.
     
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  8. KnowSelf

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    Is God bigger or smaller today than yesterday?
     
  9. wil

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    To elaborate I've got tens of thousands of miles on my thumb hitchhiking. Add to that months of nights spent couchsurfing in strangers houses...in many ways I've relied on the kindness and generosity of others and due to past experiences have not changed my perception in decades.

    I am not in any way saying all people are good...I am saying those who offer me rides, and open their homes are not the overtly church going type.
     
  10. Arif Ghamiq

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    I believe "God" is size-less in any context.

    I do think that the concept of "God" is more expanded "today than yesterday".
     
  11. wil

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    You thinking she needs to goto weight watchers?
     
  12. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Lol,.cross posts, the universe is perceived to be expanding since the last big bang...
     
  13. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Fewer people think of God as worshipful or use the word 'God' in the 21st Century than in the 16th Century.

    Because science has unravelled some of the mechanisms of nature, some people like to think that means we don't need to have God.

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    It's the extremists on both sides again. So we get the extreme scientific atheists/ secular humanists against the young earth fundamentalists -- and all the rest of us end up with ... well never mind the rest
     
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  14. wil

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    OK, I'll agree, it is all personal perception.

    My a** is fine, no rod, not that there is anything wrong with that...if that is the perception you prefer.
     
  15. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    I edited that @wil

    There is a saying from the French Revolution: At least the old king used a bit of lubrication.

    We have an expression here: getting shafted. So it's a bit softer, but the same idea, lol ...
     
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  16. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again: but already it was impossible to say which was which."

    -- The last line of Animal Farm, by George Orwell
     
  17. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    It's all just clubs: my Christian club, your Secular Humanist club -- not yours personally -- but people with ego agendas presuming to speak for truth or God or whatever ... or whatever ...
     
  18. KnowSelf

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    perhaps people are better aware of natural pheromone and the mysteries that once abounded are a matter of fact today, after all we have the internet.

    Church-goers and bible-thumpers are the worst kind of fake Christians because they carry them the pretense godliness and influential jargon.

    I don't understand a lot of things, but God and I are connected like the ingredients of bread and bread itself. God and I are the combined ingredients of me, myself & I.

    Profoundly God and I are fused together. People who claim to have a relationship with God may not know God at all.
     
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  19. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    But don't you risk sounding as if you are placing yourself superior and more holy than people who go to church? I understand what you mean but when last did you enter a church and kneel before God? Not all church goers are Bible thumpers imo

    I believe it is good and necessary to go to the temple, but of course that is not the only place to be with God.

    Anyway ... I like the rest of your post
     
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  20. wil

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    Why does one need to enter a building to do that?
    I don't have that luxury...

    You guys get all my mistakes.
    I just say, "you will be rewarded in the end."
     

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