Past, Present, Beyond?

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  1. Arif Ghamiq

    Arif Ghamiq Active Member

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    It has nothing to do with answered prayers - I'm far beyond that page - it's more about Collective Communion - Unity of mind & Soul and the raising of the Collective Consciousness of Humanity.
     
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    Allah Al 'Aleem (The All Knowing) is the absolute source of knowledge and we are the seekers of knowledge.

    Additionally, this common phrase among Muslims indicates that none of us claim to have all the answers or any one answer in its Supreme complete expression - that there is always further insight to be had on any givien subject.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    https://catholicherald.co.uk/issues/february-17th-2017/a-worldwide-force-for-good/

    "The (Catholic) Church operates more than 140,000 schools, 10,000 orphanages, 5,000 hospitals and some 16,000 other health clinics. Caritas, the umbrella organisation for Catholic aid agencies, estimates that spending by its affiliates totals between £2 billion and £4 billion (annually), making it one of the biggest aid agencies in the world.

    Even these numbers only tell half the tale. Caritas does not include development spending by a host of religious orders and other Catholic charities, while most of the 200,000 Catholic parishes around the world operate their own small-scale charitable projects which are never picked up in official figures. Establishing like-for-like comparisons is hard, but there can be little doubt that in pretty much every field of social action, from education to health to social care, the Church is the largest and most significant non-state organisation in the world.


    One material result of people worshiping together. Just one branch of one religion -- add up all the religions.
     
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  4. KnowSelf

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    I understand what you are saying, that kind Collective Communion is not available to me and if it were I doubt I would participate. Not a reflection on you but knowing myself I find the concept uncomfortable
     
  5. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Did he say that?
     
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    The numbers are impressive on worldly level, but how are they spiritually connected to God?
     
  7. KnowSelf

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    My title is KnowSelf and yes I said that because I knowself

    Understand I am looking from a Baptist Church point of view of which I feel is unfulfilling and shallow
     
  8. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    You questioned the value of communal worship.

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    Sorry I didn't mean to sound rude
     
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  9. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Well you see, this may be a lot of the problem? The whole world is not America, and the way American evangelist (literalist) Christians behave is not the way everyone else does, lol.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    There is quite a big world out there beyond America and I'm afraid we don't all look up to America with starry eyed wonder, lol ...
     
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    In the beginning Jesus created America

    Sarcasm don't ya know
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    In a sacred manner I live. To the heavens I gazed. My horses are many.

    --old Sioux song
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I don't hat it, i chuckle that man requires a building he made to kneel before the god they made.

    And the thought of any god that could create the universe in seven days having an ego so big they would require worship and kneeling...

    If you don't want answers, don't ask questions.
     
  14. KnowSelf

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    There is no description of God or what God means. We're swimming in a pool of assumptions in that there is not one universal view of God. What might one say does not necessarily lend an exact interpretation for everyone.
     
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    Not limited to churchgoers, I think. That's a general human trait, closed-mindedness.

    My point about knowing oneself was a bit off-topic, maybe: "knowing god" is a very big task, why not start closer to home, with something less elusive and enormous...

    As to group worship: Spending time with like-minded people, who are on the same wavelength so to speak, has good effects of replenishing resources and restoring joy. This is not limited to religious groups. Again, a human thing, I believe.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Yawn. Standard 'humanist' response. Wind them up, out it pops ...

    How about a mark of respect, humility, submission? Agreed God requires no worship from man.

    Oh wait: now it's going to be the smiting and more selective literalism?
     
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    But you know @Cino I actually don't like the 'social' aspect of church services. It can put me off going. I like to go to God alone. To pay respects and perhaps receive grace/peace .... advice (no exact word). But then I am not a very chatty or social being at best of times, lol.

    Or perhaps many different ones? But in general, widely varying scriptures all do come up with a very similar idea of 'what God means' imo?
     
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  18. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    That's my experience with church service and Sunday tea and cookies as well. I always escaped to the book stand. And yet it was something I sought. It takes a group to do a proper liturgy.

    The "good" kind of group get-together for me is nowadays infrequent, maybe twice a year, with people who are really on my wavelength.
     
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    I believe the parable of the pharisee man and the tax collector (Luke 10:9-14) addresses the issue, and the one about kneeling and temples, too.
     
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    It is also sad that many people who don't attend church are just the same ... so what's your point?

    OMG. Another case for I believe the parable of the pharisee man and the tax collector (Luke 10:9-14).

    I'm getting bored with the pronouncements of the self-righteous
     
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