Why can't we all get along?

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by wil, May 26, 2021.

  1. stranger

    stranger wolfwing, a feral angel

    Jun 16, 2013
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    Hi... Well I think SG is very smart and might have been working a little wordplay magic there, but I was not sure so I was attempting to engage her a bit to see if that was indeed the case.

    Now I'm not sure if this was her point or not, but at the risk of getting slapped or getting a tiger claw mark (old joke from the structured debate thread), I would hazard a guess that she was talking about us all (all traditions) as being one tribe with notable differences. Difference among people who love one another can be a good thing, and even an attractive thing.

    I think the consensus on Paul here was that he never left Judaism, he just became a new creature. This could be the same for us. We all have to find a tradition (or non-tradition) which is comfortable for us and then engage others who are different from us from that position. In other words, we find the place that is comfortable and acceptable for us and begin working toward interfaith from there. One tribe in the universal sense is the whole world with all of its differences. The differences are the "tribes" which are still part of the larger whole.

    IMO we are not asked to convert or take other religious positions if we don't want to. As our Muslim brothers and sisters would be quick to point out, "There is no compulsion in religion". All that is needed is that we work with what we have and in ways that are comfortable to us. Now, there is room to expand our comfort level, no doubt about that, but one cannot force drastic change upon another, it ruins the whole thing.

    I honestly think all that is needed is a loving and open heart, and once that is established, the love will carry you like a leaf on the wind. This is close to the way the Sufis looked at it, I think. Fall in love and see what happens. Lovers love the differences they find in their Beloveds, it makes the love even more ardent. Translate that to the spiritual and you can begin to love the differences you find in other people, without needing or even wanting to change their positions or beliefs. If change is to happen, let it happen naturally and without force, if it doesn't happen it's okay, the person is still loved anyway for their differences (it is still attractive to the Lover).

    Stay open, let it flow naturally, don't be afraid of change but don't let others force their will upon you. That's about it for me.
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  2. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

    Jun 28, 2019
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    Yes .. being in a majority can be a good thing, and it can be a bad thing.
    If the majority are righteous, then it has a stablising effect on the community.

    However, it is very easy for a majority to "bulldoze" their way onto others, which is undesirable, whoever the majority might be.

    Yes, the increase in evil deeds, and ensuing inequality and immigration, is driving a global resurgence of nationalism.
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  3. juantoo3

    juantoo3 ʎʇıɹoɥʇnɐ uoıʇsǝnb

    Jan 9, 2004
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    GO PLACIDLY amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

    Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

    Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

    Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

    Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass.

    Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

    Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

    Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

    And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be.

    And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

    By Max Ehrmann © 1927​
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