Compulsory Covid Vaccination For Under 50 s

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  1. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Thalidomide is still around. It's just not administeted to pregnant women anymore. Neither are the COV-19 vaccines.
     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    I know, but only because the harmful effects became evident over time, in spite of original drug company assurances that it was safe
     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Since then every new drug has to be tested for around a decade, until the covid vaccine came along
     
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    There is no good reason to compel people to take the vaccine who are not in the age group most responsible for ICU bed occupancy. It doesn't prevent transmission, and they are not the ones using ICU beds?

    Nor is hospital ICU bed usage responsible for dentists and local doctor surgeries not seeing pateints due to the covid pandemic?
     
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    To be blunt: it is the beyond life expectancy age demographic most susceptible to ICU hospitalization who should be responsible for immunising and isolating, and not the rest of the majority of the population.

    Perhaps special public transport coaches, theatre/restaurant seating and shopping times for over 65s etc. Brave new world. I don't know how it would be done

    Other people who wish to immunize and isolate should of course be allowed but not compelled.

    Covid isn't going away. It will keep mutating new variants. New vaccines will constantly be required and the travel and tourism industries, along with education and other areas, are never going to be allowed to recover.

    IMO
     
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  6. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    We all know this..just like the flu and common cold..

    But we must do what we can do to protect life....

    Or never claim to have compassion or empathy again.

    I frankly could care less about my own life...

    I am highly concerned with those who have decades to live.....

    And that is the reason for compulsory vaccinations with the best science can offer...and no more flights or eating insidelly restaurants for those who refuse.

    I would gladly accept.a current test for antibodies...omicron will help mitigate this hopefullu
     
  7. Ella S.

    Ella S. Utilitarian Logician

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    Waiting to see what the side-effects are isn't illogical. That's how science is done. There's just a lot of money in manufacturing and selling the vaccine right now, so the potential for negative side-effects is being dismissed by pharmaceutical-paid scientists.

    That's not really mistrust. This is actually very common in science. It's one of the reasons why it's important to be scientifically literate, know who is funding what studies, and to read the studies yourself rather than rely on "science communicators."

    Waiting to see what the side-effects actually are is common practice. So is large corporations downplaying the risks of new inventions to the public in order to make a quick buck. Mistrust here is completely rational and should be expected. Not having any mistrust seems to border on gullibility, like expecting a conservative news blog to accurately describe the beliefs of Left Libertarians.

    Again, in science, the only way to know if something works and what its side-effects are is to test it and see; that's called empiricism. Science also has a long history of being distorted by large corporations selling particular products. Look at all of the research Exxon-Mobile funded to deny climate change, for instance. The first thing they taught me about science in 6th grade was to read the studies and not listen to these sort of pundits, and this has only been reinforced more as I'm pursuing my PhD.

    It would be truly illogical to believe that the new vaccine is risk-free, or that it poses less of a risk than the virus, because we can't support either of these beliefs until we've seen the long-term effects of the vaccine.

    I say all of this with a full belief that people should still get vaccinated and that businesses like restaurants have a responsibility to not allow unvaccinated anti-maskers into their establishments. It's forced vaccination that I'm opposed to, partially because the risk of serious long-term side-effects has not been ruled out; for all we know, getting the vaccine could be worse than getting COVID, especially in people under 50. That's the truly logical and scientific perspective.
     
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  8. RJM

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    But these are exactly the ones most damaged by covid restrictions -- much more than by the disease itself -- not us old folks. It is their education and their careers that are being permanently damaged by the covid measures designed to protect mostly older people beyond average life expectancy. Vaccination of working age people does not prevent transmission, and no-one can assure its long-term safety. These are honest and serious points.
     

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