What is Love?

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Sacredstar, Feb 11, 2005.

  1. Sacredstar

    Sacredstar New Member

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    The secret is equality and providing respectful discipline as soon as the old soul arrives.

    A little story.

    An old soul is born with the wisdom of many incarnations in a babies body, what does the wisdom encounter, inequality, spoken down to, told they know nothing, parents know better from their own and parents mistakes, domination and control. You should be seen and not heard, the baby learns from the power games and manipulation that it lives in.

    The baby gets more and more frustrated until it rebels against its rulers, then the struggle begins. Sometimes the baby uses food as its only weapon, and the baby learns how to get its own back so that the soul is not completely trampled upon.

    But yet there is a different way......

    Treating all forms of life as our equal and to honour as sacred divine beings, to empower children by asking them to come up with solutions when parents have a problem, communicating from the heart of compassion so that we can connect our heart (not our minds) with theirs. Allowing ourselves to be vulnerable and share our strengths and our weaknesses and through this experience they learn about life and that it is OK to fall over and pick oneself up again. That there is no failure in our eyes all is just an experience.

    I have learnt that when children are given respect, honoured and loved beyond measure they also give this in return and they grow into confident compassionate and peaceful human beings. The way of the heart.

    CHILDREN LEARN WHAT THEY LIVE

    If a child lives with criticism he learns to condemn

    If a child lives with hostility he learns to fight

    If a child lives with ridicule he learns to be shy

    If a child lives with shame he learns to feel guilty

    If a child lives with tolerance he learns to be patient

    If a child lives with encourgement he learns confidence

    If a child lives with praise he learns to appreciate

    If a child lives with fairness he learns justice

    If a child lives with security he learns to have faith

    If a child lives with approval he learns to like himself

    If a child lives with acceptance and friendship he learns to find love in the world.

    Anon.

    Children and childrens rights are my passion.

    Children have the right to be heard, the right to be loved and the right to be treated as equals.

    Being love

    Kim xx
     
  2. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Hmmm, interesting take, but not always true.

    Some children who live with criticism learn to avoid condemning others.
    Some children who live with hostility learn to be extra gentle with others.
    Some children who live with ridicule learn to ignore it and rise above reproach.
    Some children who live with shame learn to refuse to accept it.
    Some children who live with tolerance learn to become complacent.
    Some children who live with praise learn to hate flattery.
    Some children who live with security learn to be oblivious to reality.
    Acceptance and friendship do not help us find love, they help us, to-love.

    Children have the right to be loved, Yes. They should for the most part be allowed to be heard. And they are equals as human beings, but are still subject to the authority of their adult care givers (and the adults have the ominus responsiblity of treating the child with utmost respect).

    The heart of man is a multifaceted thing. It is by nature deceitful, and leacherous. It can also manifest great compassion and self sacrifice. But the latter attributes must be taught and nutured, wherein the former we are born with.

    I have raised three of my own. I treated them the same way, and raised them with the best I had in me (and with no small assistance from God). Two are honorable young men serving their country (their choice), while the third has the potential for honor, and in fact displays it from time to time, but he is out for self mostly.

    Perhaps he is a little slow and will catch on eventually, but since he is an adult now, well, it's his call.

    My two cents.

    v/r

    Q
     
  3. Sacredstar

    Sacredstar New Member

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    Nature, nurture and environment.....plus astrology of the soul children certainly do learn what they live in their environment and this will differ for each child on their own unqiue journey. We differ in as much as my experience is that all children are born loving, compassionate, giving and full of goodness.

    I have just got home from spending an evening with parents and teachers and they have no conscious awareness of the negative tapes and power drama's they are implementing. There certainly is a great deal of work to do for adults to learn to communicate from the heart and to eradicate
    domination of these sacred divine beings.

    Love beyond measure

    Kim xxx
     
  4. Faithfulservant

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    I would just like to add onto Q's post.. I was brought up with alcoholism and because of that there was abuse.. I in turn do not drink.. ever.. and I do not abuse my children the way I was abused. my mother was a screamer.. I do not scream at my children. I do not wish to disparage my mother on here I love her very much and she went through a hard time because my father passed away...my point is that its not necessarily true that we form the personality of our children.
     
  5. Sacredstar

    Sacredstar New Member

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    Dear FF

    Well yes I agree many are breaking the transgenerational life cycles, we have a choice at the end of the day to change what we have learnt or whether to take on board and change what we are shown. I think Jesus said in scripture that the deeds of parents effect 3 generations but it as been known to go down more ( I know one family where the sexual abuse as gone down six generations and only been broken in this current era, also all criminals that I have met have all been abused) and genetically it can shapeshift into something else e.g. abuse could shapeshift into fear of evil, the abuse that I experienced in childhood shifted into fear that created cancer and also a victim mentality. A lot of self healing had to be done to rectify the negative programmes so that I could benefit from the positive ones.

    Dr Ursula Anderson (US) ex-advisor to WHO as published a lot of medical papers about transgenerational life cycles and as published various books, I find it a fascinating subject especially as it is mentioned in scripture.

    being love

    Kim xx
     
  6. truthseeker

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    'What is love?' is an interesting question indeed. While we want to believe that love is in the heart of the beholder, Love is a universal thing. We all want love. Everything we do and everything we seek is to reach higher levels of love. I have been breaking every cycle in search of the purest love. And while love is definately in your gut, as FaithfulServant said earlier on, I also agree with PostMaster and Sacred Star as well. The gut feeling is anxiety and fear and adoration and desire - all the things that are associated with love but the purest love just IS.

    Just like fruit juice. It's water, and sugar, and some vitamins, and other stuff in it too. There is no pure fruit juice.

    The purest love is simply Love. It has no explanations. It can't be picked apart in pieces in any kind of way. It is not desire. The closest I can describe it to is PEACE. And in a state of peace we do not feel euphoria - we feel nothing.

    It can only really be displayed in deed. Humankind is so far away from getting to God. We study Bibles and jump on the Jesus wagon and the whole bit, but we miss the true essence of why Jesus died on the cross - LOVE. We get so wrapped up in dogma that we forget that we are here to develope a love relationship with God.
     
  7. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    God loves, yet there have been times when He was provoked to wrath...did He stop loving? And at a couple points, he was ready to rid Himself of troublesome man, did He stop loving?

    He even called His "chosen" people like a wayward woman, yet He still "desired" her, and would put all past discresions aside...did He stop loving?

    Jesus, made a decision, regardless of how He felt, that was in the best interest of that which He cared for most.

    I think the point here is that Love, is not a feeling, or lack of feeling, at all.

    It is a decision to do what is best for another, regardless of personal emotion.

    Let me put it another way. The Bible states that greater love hath no man, than he who lays his life down for his friends. In situations where a man may choose to lay his life down for others, what do you thing the predominant emotion is at the time? FEAR, for self, followed by outright rejection of the natural inclination for self preservation. For a second, we use rage to overide our desire to live. These are not feelings of LOVE, so therefore LOVE must be something else. I submit that LOVE is choice, chosing to do what is best regardless and in spite of how we may feel.

    Sacred Star might call it compassion, however, there have been times when compassion is the last thing on a person's mind, in fact contempt might be a better descriptor of the state of feeling. But the individual "chooses" to do what is best for another, anyway.

    Do my thoughts make sense?

    v/r

    Q
     
  8. Sacredstar

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    If it hurts it is not divine love and many people hurt due to negative emotions, from my perspective emotion can be calm or stormy but feeling is very different. Feeling is sentient and comes from the heart of the soul.

    Unconditional love is a state of being, it is a high level of consciousness. Compassion is active, but yet compassionate action is compelled by love and GOD's will-to-good.

    Sometimes we do not like the taste of the medicine but yet our health improves after we take it. When our mother or father give us the spoon do we feel hurt? No we accept and trust all is for our highest good. So love can come in many different forms and humanity is still discovering what real love is and what it really means to give love beyond measure.

    being love

    Kim xx
     

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