One does not have to "see God" or some miracle in order to believe.
What evidence would you accept?
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I believe in all of the centuries .. I don't believe in 21st. century revelations from God.
..nor do the majority in the world.
History is very interesting, and I see that mankind keeps on repeating the same mistakes.
WWIII is inevitable .. mankind is often violent in their love of wealth.
You claim that religion is the problem .. I see that it is about wealth and power.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
So, what is the evidence?
Simple, that which you deny.
You claim that the whole history of Abrahamic religion is conspiracy and delusion.
My intelligence tells me otherwise .. that it is not all based on lies and deception..
..that major civilisations have sprung up around them.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
well, there were two in 19th Century at least, Husayn Ali Nuri and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, a manifestation of Allah and a Mahdi; possibly others too, Yogananda.
Yeah, we are incorrigible, come prophets, sons, messengers, manifestations, mahdis.
You have an black opaque glass in one of your spectacles, instead of a lens.
That does not establish the truth of their belief. Appeal to numbers fallacy.
No .. the asylums are full of people who make claims.
bhagwan shree rajneesh made claims about religion..
He taught that you should wear orange clothes, and you could eat what you like, and
do what you like.
He gained a following in the West, and gained wealth.
Those with knowledge, know that these people are imposters .. they preach falsehood.
The knowledge comes from studying the lives and history of the most recent prophets/religions.
Moses, Jesus and Muhammad .. peace be with them.
We have the Bible and Qur'an .. hadith .. the civilisations themselves to study.
..reams of material.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
You should not say that for Muhammad.
.. 'that Allah rent the moon.'
IMHO, it does not include the books and information from science for you.
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I think that's the question at hand though, isn't it? Why is it no evidence required? What causes the belief? What evidence is accepted?
Evidence is required .. but not "seeing God" or miracles directly.
Specific beliefs come from our parents or environment.
..and we then either accept them culturally without much thought, or
look into them further as we become adults.
It varies from person to person, as I have said above.
Clearly, whole civilisations are based on the Bible and/or Qur'an .. and are the most populous
beliefs worldwide.
Abrahamic religion has a long history, that is open to interpretation.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
See post by The LightWinthin just above your post.
They should not, they should be based on evidence. Accepting what books say or what parents say without thought and look no further is not correct.
They are, but that does not prove that what they say is truth.
That is being a 'munafiq'. Interpret as required at that moment. Apologetic. Heaven with 72 houris - no Muhammad did not mean that.
I never said that it did..
..but that is human nature .. we don't all have an interest in religion, and people often
just accept it as "culture", going to weddings, funerals and not a lot more.
Others want to know more, and might be convinced by the evidence in "books" or
the result of their enquiries and experience in life.
What are you mumbling about now?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Yes, every one is not wise enough, knowledgeable enough or concerned enough religions as you are or I am...but that is human nature .. we don't all have an interest in religion, and people often
just accept it as "culture", going to weddings, funerals and not a lot more.
Others want to know more, and might be convinced by the evidence in "books" or
the result of their enquiries and experience in life.
What are you mumbling about now?
True, our beliefs depend on our up-bringing, education or to what extent religions have white-washed us.
You said, "Abrahamic religion has a long history, that is open to interpretation."
To a limited extent, otherwise people have been burned on stake, crucified, beheaded, stoned or killed in other interesting ways.
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...and your evidence? This is definitely suited for this thread. It's a thread about evidence. Where is your evidence that religion started these wars? Feel free to give us a history lesson in religion.
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1. You wouldn't survive the experiment. Moving those two planets would cause so much chaos in the solar system that you wouldn't live long to see the results.
2. That's still not evidence that this is the God of Abraham. Could also be a very powerful alien species. Could be Cthulhu. You'd also have to prove that the event was caused by this entity. Maybe something natural caused those two planets to switch orbits.
wil
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Hold it, you mean G!d cant over come physics or natural laws? (Not speaking of the physical moving of the planets, but the results of it.)
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
How can there be chaos if all-mighty God does not want it? Is not chaos dependent on the will of this God?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Did not Christians commit atrocities on pagans in Europe and elsewhere?
Did not Muslims commit atrocities on Jews and Christians in Arabia and elsewhere?
That is only evidence of war, and not the result of religion.
People fight wars for power and wealth.
Some are aggressors, and some are defenders.
Pointing to a majority Christian or Muslim nation, and saying they commit attrocities,
does not mean that religion was the reason why there was a war.