Who does?Bandit said:I am just kind of talking here. i do not have all the answers to these questions.![]()
But you are thinking about it, yes?
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Who does?Bandit said:I am just kind of talking here. i do not have all the answers to these questions.![]()
Git Dor in here...I need someone to jump the gun on and then feel dumm after...Faithfulservant said:The blessing is on those who read the words and wait for Christs coming.
There is the "one day battle" or day of the Lord to consider. There is the armies of Gog and MaGog, as well as the 200 million man army that crossed from the Yellow River, and all meet up near Haifa, Israel, in the area known as Merigeddon (sp). These must be considered as part of any logical analysis, because today they are very real entities, and places.mee said:in Revelation chapter 19, we find described in vivid symbolism a war—but not a war between hostile nations. On one side is "The Word of God." You likely recognize that as a title of Jesus Christ. He is in heaven, and this vision depicts him with his heavenly armies. Battling against whom? The chapter mentions "kings," "military commanders," and people of various ranks, both "small ones and great." This battle involves the coming day of Jehovah, the destruction of wickedness. (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10) Moving on, Revelation chapter 20 opens by describing the removal of "the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan." This sets the stage for considering Revelation chapter 21.
The apostle John begins with the thrilling words: "I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. we can be sure that this does not mean replacing the literal heavens and our planet, with its watery deep. As the preceding chapters showed, wicked people and their rulerships, including the invisible ruler Satan, will be removed. Yes, the promise here is of a new system of things involving people on earth.
as we move into this wonderful prophecy. The end of verse 3 speaks of the time when God will be with mankind, turning his attention toward people doing his will. John continues in verses 4, 5: "He [Jehovah] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away. And the One seated on the throne said: ‘Look! I am making all things new.’ Also, he says: ‘Write, because these words are faithful and true.’" What an uplifting prophecy!
Quahom1 said:There is the "one day battle" or day of the Lord to consider. There is the armies of Gog and MaGog, as well as the 200 million man army that crossed from the Yellow River, and all meet up near Haifa, Israel, in the area known as Merigeddon (sp). These must be considered as part of any logical analysis, because today they are very real entities, and places.
One thought is that East finally meets West in the area of the Middle east. Then a third party joins in to put an end to this horrific fighting which would destroy the world. Hail the size of men, Lucifer thrown down, a lake of molten fire created...very real possibilities (in the literal sense). Scientists have dubbed the planet cracker asteroid that could hit the earth one day as the Lucifer stone. "Hail" could be the accompanying meteorites that would come with such a large asteroid. Even if is was in fact a ball of dirty ice (comet), the devistation that a large enough one could cause on the local atmosphere of impact is not pretty. The Middle East is thick with subsurface oil. Such an impact could infact create a "lake of fire". Certainly there would be no battle, after such an impact, as all would be pulverized.
There is a "crater" in the United states that is over a mile in diameter, and 800 feet deep, and it was caused by a 100 ft diameter (at impact) meteor, traveling at 17,000 to 65,000 mph. Just one small little piece of rock...
In 1906, something exploded over the Siberian forests, that leveled hundreds of miles of trees, wiping villages from existence (and it never made land fall).
Perhaps the "symbology" of Revelations isn't so symbolic...?
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yah. i dont think it is JUST symbolic. there is a lot of real stuff going on in there...as if a WWIII is not possible? i believe it is extremely possible.Quahom1 said:There is the "one day battle" or day of the Lord to consider. There is the armies of Gog and MaGog, as well as the 200 million man army that crossed from the Yellow River, and all meet up near Haifa, Israel, in the area known as Merigeddon (sp). These must be considered as part of any logical analysis, because today they are very real entities, and places.
One thought is that East finally meets West in the area of the Middle east. Then a third party joins in to put an end to this horrific fighting which would destroy the world. Hail the size of men, Lucifer thrown down, a lake of molten fire created...very real possibilities (in the literal sense). Scientists have dubbed the planet cracker asteroid that could hit the earth one day as the Lucifer stone. "Hail" could be the accompanying meteorites that would come with such a large asteroid. Even if is was in fact a ball of dirty ice (comet), the devistation that a large enough one could cause on the local atmosphere of impact is not pretty. The Middle East is thick with subsurface oil. Such an impact could infact create a "lake of fire". Certainly there would be no battle, after such an impact, as all would be pulverized.
There is a "crater" in the United states that is over a mile in diameter, and 800 feet deep, and it was caused by a 100 ft diameter (at impact) meteor, traveling at 17,000 to 65,000 mph. Just one small little piece of rock...
In 1906, something exploded over the Siberian forests, that leveled hundreds of miles of trees, wiping villages from existence (and it never made land fall).
Perhaps the "symbology" of Revelations isn't so symbolic...?
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Fine, but how do you dispute the "use" of heavenly bodies to assists in quashing degenerative man, hell bent on annhialating himself and all other life on Earth? Symbolic? Over and over again the scripture states "let he who understands..."mee said:
The central figure, or leader, of the earth-wide assault against the Messianic Kingdom and its subjects, according to Revelation, is Satan the Devil. He is the only person in the Biblical record who can be said to fulfill adequately the description and role assigned to ‘Gog of Magog’ in the prophecy given to Ezekiel. The prophecy in Ezekiel concerning Gog therefore points to a vicious, earth-wide assault on God’s people, an assault engineered and led by the abased Satan the Devil. This attack is what triggers the complete wiping out of such Satanic forces by means of God’s awesome power.—Eze 38:18-22.
mee said:
The central figure, or leader, of the earth-wide assault against the Messianic Kingdom and its subjects, according to Revelation, is Satan the Devil. He is the only person in the Biblical record who can be said to fulfill adequately the description and role assigned to ‘Gog of Magog’ in the prophecy given to Ezekiel. The prophecy in Ezekiel concerning Gog therefore points to a vicious, earth-wide assault on God’s people, an assault engineered and led by the abased Satan the Devil. This attack is what triggers the complete wiping out of such Satanic forces by means of God’s awesome power.—Eze 38:18-22.
lunamoth said:Hi mee,
How do JW's view Satan? Is he a fallen angel? Was he created by God but willfully turned away? Does he have any real power, or is he only a corrupter and tempter. When you say the assault will be led by Satan, do you mean he will be embodied, or merely influencing a mortal?
Curious,
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Armageddon is described in the last book of the bible as the war of the great day of God almighty (rev 16;14,16)Quahom1 said:Fine, but how do you dispute the "use" of heavenly bodies to assists in quashing degenerative man, hell bent on annhialating himself and all other life on Earth? Symbolic? Over and over again the scripture states "let he who understands..."
Again, rhetrorical question. Since none of us know the truth about the future.
Some say real, and others say symbolic. Let's continue on shall we...? There is much more to cover in REVELATION![]()
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i thought his original name is Lucifer. god of this world(earth)mee said:
The Scriptures indicate that the creature known as Satan did not always have that name. Rather, this descriptive name was given to him because of his taking a course of opposition and resistance to God. The name he had before this is not given. God is the only Creator, and ‘his activity is perfect,’ with no injustice or unrighteousness. (De 32:4) Therefore, the one becoming Satan was, when created, a perfect, righteous creature of God. He is a spirit person, for he appeared in heaven in the presence of God. (Job chaps 1, 2; Re 12:9) Jesus Christ said of him: "That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him." (Joh 8:44; 1Jo 3:8) Jesus here shows that Satan was once in the truth, but forsook it. Beginning with his first overt act in turning Adam and Eve away from God, he was a manslayer, for he thereby brought about the death of Adam and Eve, which, in turn, brought sin and death to their offspring. (Ro 5:12) The bible also tells us that he is the ruler of the world at the momment(1 john 5; 19)
hee hee, well we could talk about Lucifer. Instead.lunamoth said:Hi All,
I can see my wandering curiosity has derailed the discussion a bit--sorry.
I'll try to stay on topic.![]()
What's next?
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What is it about this church, that Jesus had something against them?2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.