Infernal Greetings All! I was surfing the World Wide Web and stumbled upon this discussion. I find it very interesting to see some of the ideas that some people hold about Luciferians and Satanist. I'll give my own view in a little bit, but first a bit about just who I am. I am a Luciferian Priest from N.E. Missouri where I run a small grotto or coven. I have studied the occult for 32 years and have been a Luciferian Witch for about 23 years. I have run a couple Luciferian websites for 5 to 6 years now and teach a bit on Skirhand Witchcraft (Skirhand is Old World for Left Hand Path). I just like the sound of it more. ~,o I did not manage to read all the post in this thread, so please excuse me if I go over ground that somebody else has already covered. BTW: The thing to remember about both Luciferianism and Satanism is that they are belief systems which are about the individual, thus very individualistic. So, there are most likely as many views concerning these belief systems as there are individuals. (You notice I say belief systems and not faiths. This is because strictly speaking, they have little to do with faith for the most part. But as I say they are very individualistic Paths so there may be those that would argue this point.) So, I will just speak my own views on this topic and please keep in mind that my views do not neccessarily reflect the views of all Luciferians or Satanist. Luciferianism is more of a Gnostic world view than it is a faith. By "Gnostic" I mean that we seek "gnosis" or knowledge, both spiritual "occult" (hidden) knowledge and Self knowledge. I worship NO gods bright or dark. While I do believe in the existance of several gods, I do not find a need for the worship of them. I find that it is the general concenses of Luciferians that rather than worship other gods, we seek to unveil our own inner divinity and become as gods. This is in line with the thinking of Lucifer when he decided that he would exalt his throne and become as god. Hence, the reason we are known as Luciferians. Also, as I said there is the seeking of gnosis, thus enlightenment. Lucifer, actually means bringer of light or light bearer. In my mind, I see Luciferianism as a form of Satanism though the two are actually different Paths. I'll explain. Satan means, Adversary or other and the Luciferianism that I practice is adversarial in that it takes the opposing side and it is good to play "devil's advocate". Never let anything be set up on high as being "holy" or "sacred". Never let yourself be bogged down in the quagmire of useless dogma and moralisms. As far as the "sacred" writings (i.e. the gospels, Talmud, Koran, Vedas, ect.) are concerned we see them as mythologies that we can draw from or not as we Will, and moral dogmas that can be followed or discarded as we feel the need. We tend to be led by our Will, which we basically see as being the reason we are in this incarnation, that which we are to accomplish in this life time. In our quest for "gnosis" and our true Will we seek though magick to achieve the knowledge and conversation of our Holy Guardian Angel (HGA) and the Beast. The HGA and the Beast are the Day and Shadow side of our own psyche respectively. All must remain in balance because in order to acheive this feat one must "cross the abyss", the depths of the mind. Those that try crossing the abyss before properly prepared or unbalanced risk insanity or worse. Yes, the Black Artes can be dangerous but there are many of us that see the gamble well spent. We also practice practical rites aimed at imposing our will upon our environment. To this end many Luciferians will study many forms and systems of Magick. I myself am drawn to Witchcraft, Chaos Magick, Thelema, Palo, Sorcery, and Shamanism. I also have studied QBL and Hermetics and Alchemy (as a spiritual science. I find these fit nicely into my Luciferian world view, if remembered that they are just the skeleton For my Gnostic views and a filing system to classiffy my experiences. In my Gnostic view of things, the "Source" or "ALL" I use the Gnostic term for, which is Plethora. The Plethora corresponds to Ayn Soph Aur in the QBL. It is beyond limitation, thus can not be described as that would limit it. The most that can be said about it is that it is all things, yet is no thing, ever pregnant with the potentialities for anything. Then there are the gods, I see the gods as anthropomorphic cosmic forces that can be tapped into to create change. Then there are the angels, demons, nature spirits, and shades of the dead. Also, one can use formulated psychic power to create "spirits", such as servitors, egregores and the like. The thing that I feel many upon the Path miss is that as it states in Heremetics; That which is above is like that which is below. That which is within is like that which is without. And the opposite of both of these is true also. Which means that each and every god, angel, demon or nature spirit, while perhaps having an existance out in the macrocosm (the cosmos at large) also has an existance within the microcosm (the self) thus being a part of ones own psyche too. Well, I have rambled long enough. So, I shall bring this post to an end for now. If anybody has any questions about Luciferianism or anything else contained I my post I shall do my best to answer them. I'll be the first to say though that I do not hold all the answers yet I do concider myself somewhat knowledgable. BTW: Somebody mentioned the devil or devil-worship, I'll clue you in devil is a term for the Priest or male leader of a coven of witches and worship actually comes from an Old English root which meant to give honor or respect. So, all witches belonging to a coven led by a male should be devil-worshippers. ~,0 LMAO!