Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions' started by Amica, Jun 20, 2005.
The one that gave you life.
no really I want to know which cult u belong to ? so come on out with it
and God the Father gives me life BTW.
I have a mole on my forhead, does that count?
is it a small fury one that lives in the ground ?
Actually, I don't quite agree. What we call Christianity today is really "Hellenistic Christianity." There were two "Christianities" in the first century. The first Christianity were made of the original followers of Jesus, called the Nazarenes. The original Christianity was a Jewish sect.
The other Christianity was the one created for people who weren't Jewish by the apostle Paul so that we wouldn't all have to convert to Judaism, become circumcised and eat kosher food. This was the second variant of Christianity, which I have called "Hellenistic Christianity" because it wasn't based on Judaism but Hellenism.
The "Christianity" you are talking about is what I am calling "Hellenistic Christianity" and this "Christianity" didn't spring into existence in the fourth century, but right back in the first century with the apostle Paul.
As for the "saints who had the light in them," I am assuming you're talking about the Nazarenes. I consider it a mistake that the Later, Orthodox Christians declared them heretics. They were the original followers of Jesus and they understood his teachings much better than the "Orthodox" ones because they knew the original political, social and ideological context of Jesus' teachings and mission.
The Nazarenes were always much closer to the Gospel than followers of any other variant of Christianity, so the "orthodox" Christians, of which we are all "spiritual descendants," had no right to declare them heretics.
My own "roots" are in Hellenistic Christianity but nowadays I take a more "hermeneutical" perspective. I no longer believe in the primacy of Hellenistic Christianity. Most Christians are unaware that their "Christianity" is the Hellenistic variant and the vast majority of Christians (say 99%) are adherents of the Hellenistic variant.
Hi Amica! [or should that be salam? ]
The sign of a believer are many, i.e he will frequent the mosque, his face will be illuminated [the light of faith can be seen on his face] and basically he will have characteristics of the best of humanity in him; he/she will be humble, loving, caring, generous, etc, etc,
imam Al-Ghazali was a perfect example of such 'signs'; the reason he was called 'hujjatul Islam' [the proof of Islam] is that to start of with imam al-Ghazali was like an average person with traits unbecoming of a good muslim in him, such as arrogance, selfishness, etc, etc, but as he persevered in the islamic duties, he underwent an amazing change where he became a very humble and good person in all respects; thus he was given the title 'the proof of islam', i.e, he was a proof that Islam was the Truth
Some more specific signs is that, on the Day of judgement the face of believers will be illuminated [such as being brighter than the sun? etc,] and near the last day, a strange creature [the beast] will come out of a moutain and mark the faces of the believers with the stick of moses [as] and that will illuminate their faces.
the believers do have a mark on their foreheads too from daily prostations to ALlah, but nowadays a lot of them dont due to them prostating on soft carpets rather than hard ground, but there still could be a slight mark there [allthough it may not be apperantly visible to the naked eye] for in the hadiths it is said that the sinfull beleiver who is to go to hell will have all his body burnt, accept that bit of forehead with the prostation mark on it for the hell-fire will be forbidden to burn that bit
As for the signs of Jewish and Christian Believers, well this only applies to pre-Muhammad [saw] times, for islam has abrogated these two religion thus only a muslim can be a believer now
the believers of aforetime, i.e those who followed their respective prophets in their own times will have similar signs i would think
certainly that is sales pitch used to sell islam, however as it to being to true, imo its not.
the quran is littered with threats of violance and burning in hell for anyone who does not do what mohamed says, this is fear and intimidation and does not come from God IMO.
The farhead relates to the mind. The song of moses the true interpretation of the books. I believe the sealed do not consist of any one religion but span all religions and they are sealed because they truely know the Creator(s). Some liken god to the devil claiming he does evil acts. Do you know the difference between the two? The sealed do. It doesnt mean they are perfect but it means they will be.
Personally I believe in the rapture, the sealed being caught up to meet who they know prior to the whole universal event. One a universal approach I believe the sealed include life on other planets.
The seal is invisible to the human eye because it consists of elements that cannot be seen by current human technology. However it is visible if human beings had the technology. The cross is the ancient symboll representing the union of body soul and spriit by power of the holy spirit. The mark is the holy spirit. Do I think everyone is sealed with a cross, yes in one sense of the word. Whatever symbol within that persons own religion represents this union is what they are sealed with.
There isnt any one religion that is the true religion, they all are if you know how to correctly interpret or at least know what god truely is. When the rapture happens and there are people taken from all different religions maybe then will everyone realize this.
I believe the seal is the seal of the holy spirit but that it is literally on the bodies but cannot be seen.
Well, if you read Prophet Ezekiel in 20:12,20, he does speak of a sign between the Lord our God and His People Israel, that we might know, He is the One Who sanctifies us; and that such a sign is what distinguishes us from other nations as God's peculiar People. He is talking about the observance of the Sabbath as a day of rest. But then again, some groups among Christians have adopted that day without having to convert to Judaism. We do welcome them for the choice, but, we can't help but to compare them to those who anoint themselves with perfume without ever taking a shower.
Like the SDA, for instance. To me they seem selectively literal and fundamental and don't represent many Christians at all. I hadn't heard that they were messianic Jews, but maybe they are? There are several denominations that call themselves messianic. I wonder if Catholics are messianic. What would it take for a church to be called messianic?
You can find the sign in every faith. It spells the name of god literally. In Judaism its YHVH. In english its JEHOVAH. In IChing its the four symbols JHVH in chinese with the vowels eoa . Every religion has this name. Its gods name his only name.
This name means LOVE literally and all good things come fromit compassion ect.
Ezekiel is one of the Archangels.
so are you saying that Gentiles stink ?
lol lol lol
Dont you think that gods signs are literally miracles? Anyone could claim to be someone or something from him but unless he or she is actually shown to be from a heavenly source and shown by miracles that involve the actual body then anyone could claim to be from god. Then you have false prophets ect.
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