[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Archaeology has excavated nothing in Jerusalem from the supposed time of Solomon to reveal anything but a relatively low level of culture. [/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As for the surrounding empires, if their records are any indication, they do not seem to have even noticed that Jerusalem was there."[/font]
"This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
(Ha'aretz Magazine, October 1999)
i read somewhere that some of the laws of moses were also traced to egyptians, sumerian and other cultures around that area - could that be true??
also was abraham avinu indeed 100 when issac was conceived ?
yes. problem is that they have appeared in older dates than when the commandments are supposed to have been handed out. also in places where the ancient hebrews had been to.dauer said:Most definitely some of the laws appear in some form in other places. I personally reject prophecy in general. It seems to go against the nature of the universe. But I'm sure BB will supply you with another approach to those particular texts in question.
yes there's no historical proof of any of the prophets i think, save muhammed.dauer said:I don't think it has yet been established that either of these two people really existed. The only evidence for that is the biblical narrative, so if you'd like precise ages for turning points in their lives, the only thing you have to go by is the literal reading of the Torah. I personally shy away from that, although I will refer to to a more literal reading from a subjective standpoint. In my subjective experience, Abraham and Isaac are real. So is Superman, but I invest less in him.
Peace and blessings.
yes there's no historical proof of any of the prophets i think, save muhammed.
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i didnt know what to make of it.
yes thats prophesy.dauer said:It's illogical to say that a person can predict what will happen in the future beyond the reasonable bounds of discernment. I know some level of intuition exists, but this is merely the ability to calculate an answer or outcome based on available information. Prophecy goes beyond reason. It's irrational.
dauer said:I don't think you understood what I said. Personally, I think it's quite likely many of the biblical prophets were real people. But being a real person doesn't mean they can predict the future, and this is true for any individual.
What I was saying is that I don't read the Torah literally. I don't know that Abraham or Isaac were actually real people, but in my experience of the world Abraham and Isaac are real people. They are a part of my subjective reality, even as I think it's more likely they're an amalgamation of ancestor stories told by the Hebrews. I don't believe in them, and I don't have to. It's not important to me whether they were real people or not. They're a part of the stories I tell, the prayers I utter. They inspire me and take me back to an ancient place I am otherwise disconnected from, and that can be very intense and very powerful, to own their stories as my own, and wrestle with them as with all things. Is that a better explanation?
i was talking about prophetism - where one man is supposed to have come in contact with god and gets a message from god to all humanity, and then the rest of humanity has to live their lives according to the laws prophet hands out, claiming that those laws are not from him but the maker.
is that against the law of human nature or not ??
to live your life according to the dictates of another??
-the veracity of the "prophet's" claim that he was indeed in touch with god.
-the wisdom of having to live your life according to laws laid down by another person, the supposedly having been handed to him from above.