Terrence said:What is Christianity about?
It is about life and death.Terrence said:
Terrence said:Thanks for answering my question you guys! Can a person be a Christian muslim? Do I have to be a Christian to go to Heaven?
The majority of Christians are fairly broad-minded, and do not hold to those ideas, Terrence. Don't worry, if you and 99% of the world's population goes to hell, you'll be in good company! lolTerrence said:Thanks for being honest Dor. Um...So millions of good muslims and other religous people who arent Christians are going to go to hell?
Well what about WDJD what did Jesus do?taijasi said:Most Christians I know try to focus on the unconditional, all-inclusive LOVE which Christ taught ... and it's also very popular to ask "What would Jesus do?" (WWJD) when it comes to moral & ethical questions. This is very practical, down-to-earth, yet effective way to be sure that we are following in Christ's footsteps.
Well, as I see it, vicarious atonement is one of the most pernicious doctrines ever preached upon this planet in the name of the Lord of Love & Life. Yes, Christ certainly told us that "no one comes to the Father except through me." However, not all of us agree about the interpretations given to `Father' and "except through me."Terrence said:Taijasa,
Wow, that was some cool stuff you said there. Are you a Christian? I understand what you said that most Christians are more broad on the issue of not believing in Jesus and still being able to go to heaven, but is that what the Bible says? I keep reading in the Bible that Jesus is the only way to God and thats why I asked about it. This stuff sounds kind of exclusive and scary to me.
Very interesting concept...Dor said:And I did not say all people go to hell. Jesus is basically our get out of jail card in that we get to skip that part of judgement but it does say that all men will be judged by him so there always is the possibility just not a very big one if you use the bible to make your judgement.
taijasi said:Well, as I see it, vicarious atonement is one of the most pernicious doctrines ever preached upon this planet in the name of the Lord of Love & Life. Yes, Christ certainly told us that "no one comes to the Father except through me." However, not all of us agree about the interpretations given to `Father' and "except through me."
I encourage you to stick around - see what LOTS of different folks here at CR have to say. You'll find extreme viewpoints, like that of myself and Dor - which are pretty much polar opposites - and you'll find a lot of moderation. I encourage you to seek out the middle ground, or whatever makes the most sense to you.
As for coming to the Father through Christ, this has everything to do with Ephesians 4:13 ... and with St. Paul's teaching regarding "Christ in you, the hope of glory." That's not something special for Jews, or for Christians. In this sense, Paul helped immensely to open doors, even if he is getting bashed a good bit of late, here at CR.
Christ dwells within every human heart, it's just that in other religions, there are different terminologies, or ways of understanding this Inner Goodness. I have truly begun to think, or believe, that this SCARES some people. I suppose they feel threatened, if they have to regard ALL of Humanity as basically one big FAMILY. That's just too hard. It's easier to say, "we're special, we're different," perhaps because it makes the circle of friends a bit smaller.
But me? I don't care if you spit in my face, call me un-Christian, or kick me out of the "member's only" club. I am what I am, and I know what I know. I know, for a fact, that Christ's message was intended for the entire world - while at the same time, He also came as a reformer for Judaism, and as the fulfilment of various prophecies. Christ's presence in the world now, assures me that He is here for ALL - not just for a privileged few.
As for the idea that one can "not believe in Jesus" and still go to heaven, of course!!! Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, and even those people that laugh about religion, or say it's all just a crock ... ALL will make it to Heaven. Like I said, nothing burns some folks up worse, than having to extend their love, their forgiveness, their patience & understanding, to others. Wanna see proof? Watch what posts follow this one.
So. Am I a Christian? Mmmm, some days. Other days, I'm just me. My aspiration would be to do as the disciples do. Discipleship didn't end with Christ's appearance 2000 years ago. It didn't start then, either. Christ came to fulfil the Law, but not to start it, nor to end it. God's Law is LOVE.
Most Christians can agree that this is summed up in just Two Commandments, which are the two most important of the Mosaic Code. And imo, all the rest - is just quibbling and details. Nevertheless, these details are important enough, that Christianity officially has well over 20,000 registered sects & denominations. That's a lot of disagreement, if you ask me. Why not focus on the commonalities?
Remember, also the words of the Christ: "If I be lifted up, I will draw ALL MEN unto me." This is in John, ch.10, v.32. But shhhhh, it's a SECRET. Don't let some people hear you say that, or know that Christ made this promise. It irritates them, just eats them up from the inside out, to hear that ALL people are going to come to fullness in Christ. Some folks, I'm afraid, will fight with words, while others, would draw swords - even guns - to hold the status quo.
But we see this happen in the name of several religions, don't we ... not just Christianity. A man says, "I love you , Lord," with his lips, yet kills his Brother with his hands, and heart. This is not Christian, Islamic, Buddhist or ANYthing ... except ignorant. But then, we're all human - and learning.
Thank goodness there are some mighty good examples in this world - people of ALL faiths - to show us the way, and remind us that hate has never yet quenched hate. Only Love, conquers hate. (The Teachings of the Christs, and the Buddhas.)
Love and Light,
there is wisdom in the fear of the Lord. there is foolishness in the reliance in the philosophies of man in the eyes of God, even moreso when their agenda is to discredit the power of god and his holy word, or to know that god exists but say there is away around him and he is not needed, or to change the characteristics of god to fit their needs. know that god knocks on the hearts of men, and his spirit looks for those he may call to do his work. it can be a ignorance to not open the door to an unknown God, but it can be condemnation to deny the work of the holy spirit in your life when he reveals the truth of the Son of God. it is one thing to not know christ, but it is a sad state of affairs to know christ, but deny that he is the way, the truth, and the life. anything else besides faith and love and repentance to our Lord God and Saviour who died and rose again on the cross for our salvation is deception, doubt, division, defiance, and the father of those things is happy to make man stumble.kenod said:I also know that the Bible says we are condemned if Jesus Christ calls us to follow Him and we refuse.
wil said:Very interesting concept...
Never heard it put quite that way...And truth be known I am dancing at the thought! Coming from my bible beatin friend this is quite interesting. If I am to take this all literallike...and Jesus is up there with the gavel, we got the Devil as Prosecuting Attorney, and who knows who exactly will show up as witnesses for the defense...but if people gotta represent themselves and Jesus is the judge..."I feeeeeeel good....dunnah nunnah nunnah nah...I knew that I would now...dunnah nunnah nunnah nah....
Seriously I have always been ok with my thought, content where I am at...but this thought from you just upped m level of contentment.