A Christian group?

I'm no expert, but I think Phelps is a sick man.

I was just thinking about the Amish parents who pray for and forgive the man who shot their children. Maybe they will pray for Phelps, as well. I just wish they didn't have to deal with him right now.
 
yeah. he doesnt hate them. he ust hates who they are. geez peopoe there is a huge difference!
 
Most people that I know do not like it if someone else guesses and assumes what they Love or Hate. Substitute 'YOU' for your name and see if it is acceptable for someone to plaster statements in this world about you:

You love(/hate) ****.
You love(/hate) terrorists.
You love(/hate) America.
You love(/hate) Bush.
You love(/hate) blacks.
You love(/hate) Hitler.
You love(/hate) Jews.
You love(/hate) Christians.
You love(/hate) Muslims.

My point is NOT that any one of those statements are true or false. My point is that I question the authority by which this man / church group is using God's (swt) name.

This one goes a little further and tells someone what they are... or rather... what God (swt) is. Although, that seems to be common here too.

http://www.godistheterrorist.com/

The whois points to someone in Topeka, KS
 
Those people have NOTHING to do with Christ! That Phelps woman was invited on a Chrisitan show called "way of the master radio" to talk about her actions and she was so disgusting. She's lost and we ought to pray for her and her family.
 
The KKK is a Christian group. Look, at least Phelps has the courage, or sheer audacity, to say what he really thinks. He's not hiding his hate behind carefully crafted, politically correct doublespeak. People can make an informed choice about what Westboro is pushing because they're completely up front with what they believe. I think that's a good thing. I suspect it makes other groups whose motives are less than laudible cringe. That's a good thing too.

Chris
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
The KKK is a Christian group. Look, at least Phelps has the courage, or sheer audacity, to say what he really thinks. He's not hiding his hate behind carefully crafted, politically correct doublespeak. People can make an informed choice about what Westboro is pushing because they're completely up front with what they believe. I think that's a good thing. I suspect it makes other groups whose motives are less than laudible cringe. That's a good thing too.

Chris
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KKK claims to be a Christian group. Nothing they ever did was taught, condoned or hinted at by Jesus or the Bible.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
The KKK is a Christian group.
Chris
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Many will say Lord Lord we have sang your praises and did works in your name.. and He will say begone you evil doers. I do not know you.. Paraphrased from the KJV lol posted by Dor.. :)

Anyone that claims to be Christian yet hates the Jewish people is satanic and anti-christ.
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
The KKK is a Christian group. Look, at least Phelps has the courage, or sheer audacity, to say what he really thinks. He's not hiding his hate behind carefully crafted, politically correct doublespeak. People can make an informed choice about what Westboro is pushing because they're completely up front with what they believe. I think that's a good thing. I suspect it makes other groups whose motives are less than laudible cringe. That's a good thing too.

Chris
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I agree it is good for a person (church) to speak their mind... I even think people should demand more voting power from governments to give their mind and voice a heart. But Phelps (and church) claims to be speaking the mind of God (swt). I see no courage... I see a man breaking one of the 10 commandments. I see another man committing a sin. If a person thinks they read and know the will of God (swt), and wants to make it their own, then I think that person (church) should have the courage to do it in their own name. Lets help him change his signs and grow a pair: "Phelps hates ****." "Phelps hates America." My apologies to Phelps if I misread the double-speak in his signs.

I prefer the term alledged Christian. 'IS Christian' is a disagreed concept. That goes for anyone who claims to be saved.
 
cyberpi said:
I agree it is good for a person (church) to speak their mind... I even think people should demand more voting power from governments to give their mind and voice a heart. But Phelps (and church) claims to be speaking the mind of God (swt). I see no courage... I see a man breaking one of the 10 commandments. I see another man committing a sin. If a person thinks they read and know the will of God (swt), and wants to make it their own, then I think that person (church) should have the courage to do it in their own name. Lets help him change his signs and grow a pair: "Phelps hates ****." "Phelps hates America." My apologies to Phelps if I misread the double-speak in his signs.

I prefer the term alledged Christian. 'IS Christian' is a disagreed concept. That goes for anyone who claims to be saved.
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What I'm saying is that I would much rather have everything out in the open. That way people can hang themselves with their own words. That's the way it should be.

The KKK IS a Christian organization. Westboro IS a Christian Church. That nut job Phelps IS a Christian. They all make Christianity look bad, and I'm not going to give the religion a free pass. These hate groups and hateful people are YOURS,Christians. They belong to you. They speak for you. They got their ideas from your book. It's up to you to do something about it.

Chris
 
China Cat Sunflower, I will take it a step further and say that this soul IS on my planet and IS in my country. I will defend your words for action with action, and defend the words from Jesus Christ (pbuh) by quoting a verse from him:

Matthew 12:36-37 But I say to you, That every idle word that men speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement. For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

I fear that MY language was inappropriate and misleading, so I'd like to add that there are many pairs in this world and the flesh has many examples, but I think it is the job of every woman and man to remind the woman and man which pair is important. That is probably misleading so I will add that my name here is pronounced siebur-pie, not siebur-bie. That is, PI is the ratio of a circumscribing circle to the longest 'straight' line through it. That is probably still misleading so I will try to be more insightful and add that I think any claims that creation comes from entropy are wrong, so I personally find it disgusting to poke to test the theory.

I tend to believe a person has to clean the inside of their own cup, and if people come along and shine up the outside it prevents anyone from learning how to clean the inside. Surely people are dealt different cups. Said another way, I don't do eye surgery but I've seen and memorized a few eye charts that helped me see better. When I drive through Topeka, KS (I travel)... I will leave behind some of my favorite thorns and eye charts.
 
Faithfulservant said:
Many will say Lord Lord we have sang your praises and did works in your name.. and He will say begone you evil doers. I do not know you.. Paraphrased from the KJV lol posted by Dor.. :)

Anyone that claims to be Christian yet hates the Jewish people is satanic and anti-christ.
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Anyone that hates Jewish, German or American people is non-christian. Anyone that supports ethnic supremacy be it pro Arians or pro Jews, are non-Christian. However, I think the idea that a Christian is supposed to side politically with the state of Israel is dangerous and offending. That idea is the product of the very late teachings of men like Nelson Darby and Charles Taze Russell and the impact they have had on Christianity in general. It is not the teaching of the New Testament and it was not the teaching of the churchfathers or the reformers. Even if we adopt the gross literalism of Darby and Russell, there is nothing in the Bible saying we should support non-believing and very anti-Christian Israel. The governments of the West do well in supporting Israel and have them as an ally against the Moslems, but that has nothing to do with Christ.
 
Westboro baptist church gets a lot of attention because it's so overly controversial and sick. But there are only 70 people or so in it. People are fascinated with evil and perversion. Visiting their site is similar to visiting a blod&honour site or an extreme porn site. Lurk in if you cant prevent yourself, but dont think it serves any purpose.
 
Here is an excerpt from a newspaper article regarding this:
LANCASTER COUNTY, PA - A Kansas-based group that proclaims “God hates ****” plans to picket the funerals of the Amish girls killed in Bart Township.

The Westboro Baptist Church — described as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League — has made a name for itself by picketing the funerals of U.S. troops killed in Iraq. The troops are dying as punishment for America's tolerance of homosexuality, the group says.

The Kansas group says the Amish schoolgirls were “killed by a madman in punishment for Gov. Ed Rendell's blasphemous sins against Westboro Baptist Church.

Gov. Ed Rendell — speaking and acting in his official capacity to bind the State of Pennsylvania — slandered and mocked and ridiculed and condemned Westboro Baptist Church on national Fox TV," the group says on its Web site.

“Rendell also revealed a conspiracy to employ the State's police powers to destroy WBC in order to silence WBC's Gospel message. Co-conspirators identified by Rendell included state officials, citizens, lawyers, legislators and media,” the Web site says.

Westboro Baptist Church said it is "continuing to pray for even worse punishment upon Pennsylvania.”<...>

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compare to a parallel account in Luke 9:
51 Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, 52 and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. 53 But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. 54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.
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Jesus rebuked his disciples for even suggesting calling down evil upon the people of an area. Perhaps This group might do well to consider this account.
 
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