Hmm, seems to me you're describing the "tools" we are given at birth, or talents/characteristics for lack of a better term. How we choose to use them as we live is entirely up to us.I said:Ability to choose? Ah, but even if we put aside determinism, we are still well-shaped by our genes and environment. Is it not that some degree of this very choice is taken from us by these factors? For example, I don't remember chopsing to be hterosexual; I don't remember choosing when I fall in love; and I don't remember choosing to have some creativity with music and words. Of course, I'm simply trying to stoke the discussion here.
Also a point, that because morality is a very much a social construct - where society determines that some actions will be rewarded and others punished (especially when committed by the lower classes) - then just because an action is deemed punishable does not make it evil. The decision as to whether something is to be regarded as evil surely remains a relative point?
I also think there we are describing two forms of reprimand here, punishment, and then discipline. A reward is a reward no matter how one looks at it, but punishment, is usually used to make some one pay for a serious wrong (intentionally committed, for self interests), wherein discipline is used to correct/remind/reprove those who most likely erred out of ignorance or thoughtlessness, and to prevent/warn that further actions if left unchecked could become evil.
Punishing someone out of bigotry or loathing, or as a form of control over another (as in upper class towards those less fortunate materialisticly, or by virtue of pedigree, or as in spousal abuse, child abuse, etc.), is evil Brian.
I think you've hit the nail on the head Avinash. From my perspective, recruits in basic military training are broken down two ways, in order to be rebuilt and fine tuned for their new life (physically and mentally). But they are never to be harmed spiritually (at least in the US military). In my family upbringing, I had my share of spankings and groundings, and lectures, but I was never told I was worthless. In fact I was told the opposite, how important I was, and how neccessary it was that I knew right from wrong.Avinash said:Namaskar,
I think you can't see evil apart from harm. Without any harm being done, there can also be no evil. So when is anyone harmed? When someone's spiritual progress is thwarted, then that person is harmed.
Hurting someone physically or mentally may be harmful but could also have been done out of love in order to teach. If it furthers the person's spiritual development then it cannot be called an evil action because no real harm has been intended or done.
Which doesn't imply that crimes that are not evil should not be punished.
My backside stung, and my heart may have been heavy, but I still felt loved, and worthy.