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Dilemma, not sure if this is going to do any good, but going to throw it out there… As you know I –used- to be into the christian way…. For around two years. Then I completely forgot it and stood I guess “against” it. Not in an anti way, like I did before I became a christian. Yet every night when I go to bed, I find myself compelled to think of god… But, I know I am not wishing to live my life any longer in service of someone or something. And again, most of the time I don’t even believe he exists… So, why do I, in a rational explanation, start dwelling on certain things, when I am going to sleep? Not sure if this is going to help or whatever, but interesting to see what comes up.
 
Hi Angel--

I am wondering--do you then dream or something along dream lines?

InPeace,
InLove
 
Yeah I do... But no connection, I just tend to have dreams about my past latley... Like old friends I have long forgotten, my days in the Army.... and so on.. Just bugging me that at night before I sleep or anything I am there just thinking of nothing but god.
 
Angel, I don't claim to be an expert in any of these kinds of things, but it sounds to me like God is an important issue in "the back of your mind", which, to me, indicates something arising from heart/spirit/subconcious--however one likes to describe it. Some would say "the still, small voice within".

When the business of each day is over--and we are a busy bunch of people here in this world--is the window of time where deeper, less busy, more contemplative things are able to come to the forefront of our thoughts. Spiritual issues. The search for Truth. Questions, and the time to just let things sort of "untangle", without anyone else hearing or seeing.

I would also say that whatever dreams come during sleep mode may seem unconnected, but if you keep allowing this time--going with "the flow", so to speak--you may actually find that there are related messages there.

Like I say, I am not an expert, but in my personal experience (and I know I am not alone in this), it has been helpful for me not to worry about these things too much--just let them come, and try to continue to tune in.

Hope this helps some.

InPeace,
InLove
 
Perhaps metaphorically you view God as imponderable. So since you've been pondering all this God stuff lately, pondering the imponderable has created this tape loop in your mind which comes back up in the form of God images.

(er somethin like that)

Does that even make sense?
 
Prober said:
Perhaps metaphorically you view God as imponderable. So since you've been pondering all this God stuff lately, pondering the imponderable has created this tape loop in your mind which comes back up in the form of God images.

(er somethin like that)

Does that even make sense?
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That makes sense, aye. To dwell on it... so long, it is imprinted if you will in my head?
 
17th Angel said:
I know I am not wishing to live my life any longer in service of someone or something.
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Let me see, a creator that demands that its creations work for or worship him...demands we go to worship on the sabbath, demands that we do x,y, or z....

To me it doesn't compute. I want to go to church...I get too much out of it not to go. I want to volunteer and do charitable works..I enjoy the piss out of it. I want to study and learn more I love it for it.

I love G-d as the source of my life, of all life, of the very air I breathe and the money in my pocket, and the food on my table...how can I not be grateful. But worship, gotta do it or I am some kind of sinner...that I can't understand.
 
So in your chilled and spaced out way... Your saying to me, that I don't have to change my life 100% Hence chaning me, who I am... Because to have life and to enjoy life is a way of giving thanks? And... I am understanding a hippy lol what's going on here... :D
 
As Christ said, He didn't come to heal those who are well, but the sick. If you don't see yourself as needing to change, then I suppose that you can just continue as you are. Sorta like the alcoholic who doesn't want to admit he has a problem. Not saying you have a problem, but that it is up to your conscience to decide.

I am rather intrigued that you can't seem to get your mind off of the concept of God. Probably because you are spending much time here with those who believe in God. Perhaps you ought to cut back on exposure to religion, and maybe this forum, and see if you notice a change. God forbid you start to believe in Him or something. :)
 
I have got passed the stage of letting others rub off on my accidental. I haven't been here much for awhile anyway... I come here when at work... That is really it.. Most of what I do online I forget once home... So I dunno....
 
So:

Nearly 1400 posts, about 2.5 per day, on a website called Comparative Religion.

Why this forum 17th, rather than any other out there on the net?

s.
 
17th Angel said:
Dilemma, not sure if this is going to do any good, but going to throw it out there… As you know I –used- to be into the christian way…. For around two years. Then I completely forgot it and stood I guess “against” it. Not in an anti way, like I did before I became a christian. Yet every night when I go to bed, I find myself compelled to think of god… But, I know I am not wishing to live my life any longer in service of someone or something. And again, most of the time I don’t even believe he exists… So, why do I, in a rational explanation, start dwelling on certain things, when I am going to sleep? Not sure if this is going to help or whatever, but interesting to see what comes up.
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Why do we stare at the stars at night an ponder how they came to be, or how many worlds might be circling them? Why do we ask questions that no one can really give a good result to?

We want answers. "Is that all there is" is not good enough. (at least for you). ;)

Keep on point, soldier.

v/r

Joshua
 
17th Angel said:
Dilemma, not sure if this is going to do any good, but going to throw it out there… As you know I –used- to be into the christian way…. For around two years. Then I completely forgot it and stood I guess “against” it. Not in an anti way, like I did before I became a christian. Yet every night when I go to bed, I find myself compelled to think of god… But, I know I am not wishing to live my life any longer in service of someone or something. And again, most of the time I don’t even believe he exists… So, why do I, in a rational explanation, start dwelling on certain things, when I am going to sleep? Not sure if this is going to help or whatever, but interesting to see what comes up.
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Hey, angel, sorry i couldn't get back to you sooner, but i came across your thread, here. i understand that you are meditating on His law at night and that you don't know why. He then provided these scriptures for you to read in regards to your delimna. i hope they are helpful to you. i hope that you can understand how they relate to your situation.

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30: And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Hosea 2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink. Hosea 2:6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths. Hosea 2:7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.

Malachi 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts.

if you don't understand, they basically mean that He is calling you back, man. don't turn your back on Him because he hasn't turned His back on you. the dreams you have mean something. don't ignore them but instead analyze them, i mean really think about them. i can tell you some really weird dreams that i have had, some literal, and some symbolic. you know that you have His law in your heart, you just keep fighting it because the world has got ahold of you. don't be of this world, man, as i mentioned before, we are just passing thru here. i pray that this doesn't confuse you.
 
Such a simple answer. Its when your mind is the most quiet. We live our lives with every kind of noise playing in the background.. we have so many things stimulating us that most of would never know how to be still and know that He is God.. in mind or in body. That is my time when Im thinking about God the most.. and even more so when I wake up in the morning with a song on my lips I know that its the Holy Spirit.

As a Christian I would tell you that is when God is speaking to you. Feel blessed and also I would warn you that if one continues to ignore Him you develop a callous of sorts till you cant hear Him at all... From personal experience thats when drastic things happen in my life to get my attention.

Seriously.. think of all the things throughout your day that stimulates you and keeps your attention on secular life.. you might be amazed.
 
Faithfulservant said:
Such a simple answer. Its when your mind is the most quiet. We live our lives with every kind of noise playing in the background.. we have so many things stimulating us that most of would never know how to be still and know that He is God.. in mind or in body. That is my time when Im thinking about God the most.. and even more so when I wake up in the morning with a song on my lips I know that its the Holy Spirit.

As a Christian I would tell you that is when God is speaking to you. Feel blessed and also I would warn you that if one continues to ignore Him you develop a callous of sorts till you cant hear Him at all... From personal experience thats when drastic things happen in my life to get my attention.

Seriously.. think of all the things throughout your day that stimulates you and keeps your attention on secular life.. you might be amazed.
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good points.
 
yeah it is because you know in your hart that God is true, and you may know what your suposed to do , but dont exactly know how you are suposed to do it, the constant thinking about God is normal, well should be normal for every christian, I am a Christian and i belive in God, I love God, and i do have a personal relationship with him, and you've said that you used to do the christian thing, well, by saying, doing the christian thing, it kinda seems like maby you tryed it but possibly for the wrong reasons, have you ever really accepted Jesus christ as your lord and savior, if you were to and had any miniscule amount of belive or longing you would be an awesome christian that would glorify the lord and defanatly grow the christian comunity, but yeah, think about it to your self, and when you think about God, ask him what you should do, and just pray to him, he will ansure, not neccasarrally verbaly,(tho he can) God will comunicate to you, in some way shape or form,

well I Love you, not in any kinda sexual way or anything, just in a christian way,
Brandon,
 
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Dilemma, not sure if this is going to do any good, but going to throw it out there… As you know I –used- to be into the christian way…. For around two years. Then I completely forgot it and stood I guess “against” it. Not in an anti way, like I did before I became a christian. Yet every night when I go to bed, I find myself compelled to think of god… But, I know I am not wishing to live my life any longer in service of someone or something. And again, most of the time I don’t even believe he exists… So, why do I, in a rational explanation, start dwelling on certain things, when I am going to sleep? Not sure if this is going to help or whatever, but interesting to see what comes up.
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"Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you."—JAMES 4:8. so who is God ,
That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,​

You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18
(Isaiah 55:6) Search for Jehovah, YOU people, while he may be found. Call to him while he proves to be near.
(Psalm 14:2) As for Jehovah, he has looked down from heaven itself upon the sons of men, To see whether there exists anyone having insight, anyone seeking Jehovah.
The famous teacher Jesus Christ said: "Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you."—Matthew 7:7. sometimes people reject the True God because of listening to those who are in opposition to the true God.
Jesus said: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." (John 17:3) Yes, the Bible teaches that learning about Jehovah and Jesus leads to "everlasting life"
 
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