23 month old daughter talks about heaven

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  1. ChristineMarie

    ChristineMarie New Member

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    Hi Earl,

    Thank you for welcoming me :)

    Your eldest grandson is typical of the story contributions that I have received for my book Heaven Talks To Children. But that is exceptional that he was able to read thoughts in addition to being able to spirits. Yes, I do agree that many times those special abilities diminish as the child gets older. Sometimes a child will turn off to a gift if they feel different from other children. I am so happy that you believed your grandson. You may even want to ask him if he is still seeing spirits. It could be that he is but may be suppressing his gift. He may really like to talk to someone he trusts (like you!) about it, if he is.

    Also, it is helpful for children to know how to protect themselves from spirits who may be scaring them too. Simply calling upon God or Jesus when this happens will help them and empower them.

    Thank you and God bless you, ChristineMarie



     
  2. ChristineMarie

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    Hi Nick, Thanks for explaining that this was not your post, but a post from someone else, whereby the link to that post has been removed. It sure was a great story though! :):):) If you happen to find that link I would like to post to it.

    Have a great day. God bless you! Christine Marie


     
  3. earl

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    He also seemed to have some precognitive abilities then as well as an ability to simply know ordinary things outside of ordinary channels for picking up information. For instance, we have this little bathroom at the back of our house whose right sink faucet doesn't work. Well, when he was 2 and not yet even been in that bathroom, I'm sitting back there-er doing my business:p-and he waltzes in for the first time, points to the right faucet and says "that doesn't work" and waltzes out. earl
     
  4. ChristineMarie

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    Hi Earl,

    Another thought may be that your grandson may be getting information from his angels and spirits around him :) He sounds adorable!

    God bless you, ChristineMarie
     
  5. earl

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    Well, I'd certainly agree on the adorable front. The lad's 10 now. I tend to believe the "veil" is thinner on the front end and the back end of life. My first wife died after months in the hospital of Fanconi's Anemia. About 9 days prior to her death she had to be revived. During that interval her deceased mother came to her and among other things told her that it wasn't her time yet but they'd be together soon. From then til death she had several more "conversations" with her. She toward the end would drift in and out of consciousness and once when coming to began to regale me with a spontaneous remembrance of a past life which to her explained why she had so much physical suffering in this life-a "learning lesson." She was raised traditional Catholic and did not believe in such "New Age" stuff nor even knew of some of these notions. Wonder what our beliefs about reality and "religion" would be like if we took seriously the insights of preschoolers and those on death's doorstep.:) earl
     
  6. path_of_one

    path_of_one Embracing the Mystery

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    When I worked with hospice patients, I saw a lot of what you describe, Earl. My grandfather, as he died very slowly from an autoimmune disease, also went in and out, talked with spirits and his deceased father and best friend, etc. It does not particularly seem to matter what religion someone is; the events are quite consistent person to person. Some call it "nearing death awareness" for those people that die more slowly and have more time to integrate what is beyond with their current life.

    I do think people are most open to possibility in the beginning and the end (as a general rule), and I wish this openness remained during the bulk of life, as it seems to temper judgment, fear, and a number of other negative tendencies.
     
  7. earl

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    Yeah Kim, it seems life is a game of spiritual hide and seek where we're more in the know when we first arrive and when we're on the way out. Too bad the vast bulk of us, (most certainly including me), need to stumble about in the dark between those 2 points. But, hearing of and believing in such "realities" when I remember to pause and reflect on them does reorient me to better spiritual awareness. Just wished I had the experiential awareness to bolster the belief system as I believe nothing entirely replaces experience for waking one up.:) earl
     
  8. iBrian

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    I can certainly relate to this - when I was unemployed I was put on a government scheme to care for elderly blind people.

    One time, I felt an overwhelming sense that one of the newer residents was surrounded by presences, and that mentally he was asking if he had been a good man, and they were comforting him. It was as if he was making final mental preparations for death.

    Nothing was spoken, and like all the residents he just sat there, so there were no obvious cues.

    The feeling was too powerful to ignore, though, so I walked up and sat by him, and simply held his hand.

    After a while, the sense of the presences seemed to fade away, so I let go. He simply turned around and said "Thank you."

    He never spoke of it, and carried on as normal.

    I left a couple of weeks later. He died just after.
     
  9. earl

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    ChristineMarie-you'd probably be interested in this organization which was created to nurture the natural spirituality of children
    ChildSpirit Institute - Home

    take care, earl
     
  10. Tao_Equus

    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    In this foreign language video the words beiying and daw / daw-ong translate as afterlife and heaven / god respectively. This hyper intelligent child has had the concepts explained to it and is giving his response. Amazing intelligence for an infant!!

    [youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/5P6UU6m3cqk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/5P6UU6m3cqk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]
     
  11. earl

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    Tao, I bet you were a hellion as a kid too.;):D earl
     
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    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    I think I was hell on angel dust :rolleyes:;)
     
  13. earl

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    I've worked as a therapist in community mental health centers for about 30 years. In that time, you hear a lot of things. Always interesting to me how some of my more traditionally-minded colleagues attempt to make sense to themselves of things young children tell them. Not uncommon to hear young children share some things along the line of what has been discussed in this thread. Had a 5 y.o. girl brought in a few years ago by mom who was freaked because the little girl was telling her that her deceased grandma visited with her every night. Her very traditional Catholic therapist didn't know what to make of it because it sounded "nuts" to her but knew the kid was too normal to be psychotic. fortunately, didn't push drugs on the kid. In more recent months here, 1 of my other colleagues has worked with a 9 y.o. girl in foster care, who, like many there, has gone through some tough experiences but who tells her that her "angels" have long communicated with her, buoying her spirits. Also she's working with a 7 y.o. kid who speaks of her deceased cousin communicating with her. While this colleague I don't think is as "New Age" as me, (never discussed her beliefs with her), she is at least doing her part to stand up for the "normalcy" of these experiences, telling the first kid's foster agency, who want to ship her off to an outside psychiatrist to get at what's wrong with her to have this experience, that such is wholly unnecessary and the experience is a healthy one and in the latter telling the kid's mom pretty much the same thing. Seems to me that such experiences suggest that even when one thinks that they are very alone, we may never be as alone as we think and may have any number of unseen forces rooting for us from the sidelines.:) earl
     
  14. Nick the Pilot

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    Earl,

    I think I posted a link before to the website that specializes in children who have memories of previous reincarnations.

    Past Life Forum - Powered by vBulletin

    At that site, they posted some guidellines to help parents determine if what the child is saying is authentic or not. I remember two things. One is when the child is very dead-panned, unemotional, and matter-of-fact about what they are saying. The second is when the child's story does not change over time. When a child speaks in these two ways, there is a better chance that the child is being truthful. These and a couple of other things (I forgot the other things) help us recognize that the child is being truthful.

    It would be interesting to apply these principles to what you and your fellow therapists are hearing from the children.
     
  15. citizenzen

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    I plugged in my birthdate and it came up with...

    I don't know how you feel about it, but you were male in your last earthly incarnation.You were born somewhere in the territory of modern Turkey around the year 1625. Your profession was that of a farmer, weaver or tailor.

    While I appreciate its concerns for my feelings, I can't help but roll my eyes over it and other posts regarding this subject. At least they gave me a simple past life. Not everybody could be Genghis Kahn.

    It's one thing to appreciate the unknown and mystery, it's another to attribute these things to past lives, angels and spirits. But I've found is that people are desperate to believe and will cling to anything as evidence to support this view.

    As for babies talking about the afterlife...

    They have been exposed day after day to concepts that their family believe in and talk about. They are smart enough to take on a language in this short life. Why would anybody be surprised that they're able to take on some other things as well?
     
  16. earl

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    Well, CZ, one wouldn't expect you to believe anything you haven't experienced for yourself that breaches the predominant materialist paradigm.;) earl
     
  17. citizenzen

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    Let's just say that I'm curious why nobody here thought that while a baby is learning a new language they may also be picking up on numerous other cues from their surroundings as well.

    That certainly seems rational to me.
     
  18. earl

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    Well, never trust a baby. They do babble.:) earl
     
  19. path_of_one

    path_of_one Embracing the Mystery

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    Of course babies pick up on other cues in their surroundings. That doesn't really explain children whose surroundings are training them into not believing in reincarnation, yet they may still eventually conclude they have had a past life.

    I have various reasons for believing I have had past lives and I remember some limited bits of information about it. It's just the explanation that makes the most sense to me given my life's experiences from early childhood until now. More to the point- it's the most helpful explanation and allowed me more mileage out of it for personal growth.

    But to each their own. The one thing that I find a bit problematic are the parents that are always telling a kid who might have something like this going on to stop "imagining" things. But then, I find the tendency of parents to treat their children like idiots who are devoid of any capacity to contribute to their own growth process repugnant.
     

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