~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Andrew, I will curious to hear what she says. I feel that, in the long run, the one thing that keeps us reincarnating is karma. I cannot see how it could anything else. Have you read George Arundale's book on his experiences on the "Nirvanic level"? (Arundale claimed to be able to achieve Nirvanic consciousness, yet also spend time in his physical body, here on the physical plane.) He (and many other visitors to Nirvana) have always said that, once we visit Nirvana, returning to this physical plane is a painful experience for us. To me, only one thing can explain why we continually return to the pain of the physical plane -- karma.