Music to my ears

I grabbed this from a comment I read in an Amazon review. I think English is not the first language (apologies if wrong) I have edited slightly, but not changed the substance:

“I perceive some troubles in his (the author’s) understanding of Tantric concepts … inevitably clouded by its own paradigmatic and patriarchal religious comprehensions of reality: the idea that ‘images’ and ‘imagination’ (and the alam al mithal), are illusions that ought to be transcended, echoes the same sick and unbalanced concepts that forget that, after all, we are here and we are alive – concepts that are a consequence of a patriarchal view of reality and nature, a view that has dominated most of the religions both in east and west … ”

And here we go:

“… the feminine and matriarchal perceptions did not view matter and images as impediments, only as one of the infinite facets of existence … to accept that we are alive and that the realm of forms and matter (that resemble directly the world of similitudes) is a part of, and inseparable from, reality; it is precisely the idea of separation from the whole that leads us to believe that our narrow perceptions of reality to be the absolute truth.

This led me to a look at alam al mithal

The doctrine of a “Realm of Images” (‘Alam al-Mithal‘) is a specific product of Medieval Muslim mysticism.

It must be said at the outset that the word mithal (pl. muthul), “a likeness”, is also sometimes applied to Platonic Ideas but the two uses are quite different.

Muslim philosophers, especially Ibn Sina (d. 1037, in the West Avicenna), emphasised the imaging function of imagination in the Prophetic Revelation.

The human soul, provided it is pure and strong enough, can contact the unseen world in waking life as well as in dreams, all that is required is a withdrawal of the soul from the tumult of sensory life. A Greek doctrine clearly stated by Plutarch.

In dreams, spiritual truth is conveyed by the imagination is its role as translator, in this case into sensible images and symbols, so in waking life when the Prophet receives spiritual Revelation, it becomes clothed in the form of images and figures.

According to Ibn Sina, just as dreams require interpretation (ta’bir: “carrying across to the other side of a river”), so Revelation requires, in varying degrees, a symbolic interpretation (ta’wil: “carrying back to the source or the initial point”).

More to follow … this from Dream, imagination and ‘alam al-mithal, by Fazlur Rahman, on jstor.

(Thomas 6/09/2021)

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Matrixism – A religion based on The Matrix

By now, people should be aware of the discussions in Physics about whether the world is a simulation or not.

How many have studied the many accounts of the Near Death Experiences?

How many have thought about “Paradise” in the Bible? How it is a timeless situation?

How many have considered that the greater reality and truth involves the timeless and eternity?

Have you thought about these issues?

Have you looked at Einstein’s statements about time and matter? Others since?
Before posting judgements on this issue..?

The Wachowski’s presented a cinematic illustration of Truth to the world.
In the same year the work of physicist Julian Barbour was also released, titled, “The End of Time”.

Check it out. This book needs to be listed with the other cited works concerning “Matrixism”.

(Posted by Geo August 1 2021 to revive old thread started by DynoMight in 2006)

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Garments of Skins (Genesis 3:21)

“And the Lord God made for Adam and his wife, garments of skins, and clothed them”
Genesis 3:21

In the previous chapter, we read: “And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed” (2:25). This is the last verse of Chapter 2.

The opening verse of Chapter 3 – the very next verse on the scroll – introduces the serpent:
“Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made…

The Hebrew term for naked in 2:25 is arom.
The Hebrew term for subtle in 3:1 is arum.

In fact the terms for ‘naked’ and ‘subtle’ derive from the Hebrew root aram: ‘to make bare, to be subtle, crafty or cunning’.

Arom is contranym (a word that is its own opposite – an English example is ‘cleave’, which can mean to cling to, or to separate; ‘dust’, which can mean remove dust from, or apply dust to).

There are both Jewish and Christian sources that hold that before the fall, Adam and Eve were clothed in light. This became intermingled with Hellenic speculation to say that the Primordial Pair were creatures of light only, purely spiritual beings, rather than creatures of spirit and matter, this despite the clear indication to the contrary, and this despite the union of spirit and matter was seen by God to be the finishing act of creation, the act that was not simply good, as were the works of the five previous days.

Even Origen, who taught himself Hebrew (one of a very few Fathers to do so), held that the soul was enfleshed to arrest its fall – based on Platonic thinking.

Hebrew is a mythopoeic language, very idiomatic, metaphoric, and figurative. Contranyms, homonyms (sound alike words), a range of literary forms and devices are used to help explain spiritual concepts. Hebrew speaks to the senses whereas the Hellenic appeals to the intellect.

Note: Hebrew is neither deficient in intellectual rigour nor lacking in spiritual insight, to assume that is to make a gross mistake. Rather, the Hebrew mindset knows “a picture is worth a thousand words” and if I labour this point, it is for two reasons:
1: Christianity lost touch with its Hebrew roots and this was a great loss;
2: The modern tendency to read ‘esoteric’ meaning into Hebrew texts, based on an Hellenic mindset, leads to error, rather than enlightenment.

In this case, it is neither coincidence nor chance that the Hebrew word for light and the word for skin sound the same: ohr:

אוֹר Light (aleph)

עוֹר Skin (ahyin)

The only difference is the first letter (reading from right to left). Light begins with aleph, a letter heavily associated with God, and skin begins with ahyin, the letter that also means ‘eye’.
Both aleph and ahyin are silent letters. They have no sound aside from the vowel associated with them.

In our words above, the vowel is shown by the letter vav with the dot on top, which is called a cholem vav. The last letter is a resh, an “r” sound that pictographically means “a man’s head.”

By simply looking at the pictographic meaning of these words, both have a heart that connects. Vav means ‘to link, connect, or hook together’. It is also the number 6, the creation day for both beast and man. In the verses above in Genesis, the text presents us with a beast (snake) that speaks like a man.

The other Hebrew letters for each word reveals what light and skin connects or links one with. In the case of light, the head (resh) is connected to God (aleph), the Father. But in the case of skin, the head (resh) is connected to only what one’s eyes (ahyin) can see (flesh/natural).

“Rabbinic insight is that the clothing of Adam and Eve was glory, or radiance … The white light is the same covering of the Bride of Messiah in Revelation. The Bride reflects the Lamp of the New Jerusalem, the Lamb. In terms of the menorah, there was a spiritual covering over the first couple’s earthly bodies, a covering or radiance pictured when Moses spoke with Adonai on the mountain, receiving the Torah covenant for Israel. Like the Holy One in whose image they were made, they had corresponding covers of light like garments.” (Dr. Alewine in The Creation Gospel Workbook Four: The Scarlet Harlot and the Crimson Thread, p. 175).

Again, this light is of great significance to the Essenes, it figures in the Transfiguration of Christ, and is used in the Johannine writings.

“The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (3:4-5)

The serpent implies that Adam and Eve are ‘blind’ in some way. They were (outwardly, or physically or materially) naked but had no shame, because they saw with ‘spiritual eyes’ that looked beyond the surface to the truth and hearty of things, they saw with understanding and insight in the light of Elohim.

This was the serpent’s deception, a minor truth to cover the greater lie.

The eyes of them both were opened to the material world because they lost that spiritual luminescence, that insight. They saw only the surface of things, they saw themselves as separate, as other, as distinct, as naked … and felt shame, and hid.

In their disobedience, they forfeited the Light, the Grace of God.

More to be uncovered here

(Posted by Thomas August 23 2021)

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Bliss…. Again

I see my brothers and sisters from standing rock….still standing, still praying, still protecting the water. A half dozen came down to DC the other day, was glad to go down and stand with them here, as I was to drive the thousand miles and spend time with them there.

Despite our leader deciding foreign interests and the almighty dollar are worth more than clean water…

I can feel bliss…

But contemplate its facade. I read some passages, and they take me back to a time, of throngs listening to a robed man on a hill…

His words come off the paper and into a vision of another time and space a vision of hope and peace while a SAM launcher with a 50 cal is pointed at a camp I feel kin to.

The dichotomy…

Why can my time of prayer and meditation, of reading and contemplation make me feel good…while homeless are within miles of me, mothers are putting kids to bed hungry… And hundred year old treaties are being trampled?

And now I kill the bliss…the wave of beauty and light wanes as guilt, remorse fill in…and concern for those not in my privileged shoes grows.

(Posted by wil Jan 28 2017)

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Any anti vax/mask/virus hoaxers here?

It is weird…if you are and were among my real friends and acquaintances I would avoid you like the… err…plague.

But here, I hope we can calmly listen to your reasoning to better understand the train of thought.

Touchy subject (potentially more than our typical religious/science discussions) a test to see if we can remain respectful!

(Posted by wil Aug 15 2021)

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Interfaith Marriage – legal and safety concerns

I wonder if there are people who have background on possible long terms difficulties and legal issues an Originally Muslim Jordanian female would face for having a civil marriage contract to a Christian European.

information I could find from research:

1- In Jordan, one can’t legally apostate from Islam, and may have serious consequences as per Sharea Law.

source HG.ORG

2- It’s illegal for a Muslim female to marry a Christian.

despite these laws, if a female went ahead and married a Christian abroad through a civil marriage contract, what are possible consequences the Jordanian female would face? let’s say if she required to present a document she is married to authorities in Jordan, or if someone in Jordan made a complaint on her marrying out of faith, or her being accused of apostacy.

Thank you

(Posted by Layla August 30 2021)

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The Great White Throne Judgement

How does the event in Revelation 20:11 differ from that in Revelation 7:9?
Also, how does it take place..?
“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened…”

(Posted by Geo August 22 2021)

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