The bible is a coded message

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The Bible has been a book of mystery, however it contains God's message

The Bible does not use plain language, but it is written in symbols and parables. Why ? Why did God not speak the truth clearly ?

God had to deal with the world of evil. Throughout the ages, God has handpicked His workers or champions, out of the evil world. Abraham, Noah, Jacob, Moses were such champions.

Because God's champions were always in the utmost minority in the evil world, God could not revealed His strategy too openly if not the enemy would use that information against His champions.

The Bible was written as a coded message, so that only God's agents or champions could decipher it.

From the New Future of Christianity
SMM Sept 18th 1974

What do you think ?
 
Namaste Brother, we ask that you post information in your words and not cut and paste from other sites.
Let me make an analogy. To protect her security, America sends out many agents overseas to collect vital information concerning potential enemies.
Just to continue the cut and paste from :

God's Will and the World

Rev. Sun Myung Moon

The New Future of Christianity

September 18, 1974
New York, New York
 
What do you think ?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Unless proven otherwise, it's a bunch of stories written by people.

But everyone needs a hobby and it just might keep you off the streets.
 
The Bible used to be a bunch of different documents, often passed person to person through oral tradition. Stories stick better than plain speech. That is why everywhere in the world, religious teachings are taught through metaphor and allegory, through the stories of myth. They are easier to remember that way (and a lot more fun to recite). Just think about it- I know it's much more difficult for me to remember those long bits of Numbers in which many direct instructions are given than it is for me to remember the parables.

The added benefit of parables is that they can mean different things to different people at different times. It's easier for those bits to be living words.

That's my take on it, anyway. I don't think the parables and other metaphors are super-secret enough to avoid "evil" people cracking the code.
 
The Bible was written as a coded message, so that only God's agents or champions could decipher it.
Then logically, those who wrote the book know the code to its deciphering, and pass that code on to their chosen successors.

That'll be us then, the Orthodox Catholics, or Catholic Orthodox ...

Thomas
 
Then logically, those who wrote the book know the code to its deciphering, and pass that code on to their chosen successors.That'll be us then, the Orthodox Catholics, or Catholic Orthodox ...Thomas
Jesus could not speak plainly about his plan even to his own disciples. Jesus spoke in figures and parables.

Even Jesus disciples were chocked when after hearing Jesus proclaiming "repent, the Kingdom is at hand", he suddenly changed course and spoke about his forthcoming death.
The crucifixion was not at all the original mission of the son of God. It was a secondary course that was decided at the Mount of transfiguration as it is reported in Luke
" And behold, two men talked with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure(his crrucifixion) which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem (Luke 9:30-31)

Then after this secondary course started, we can understand Jesus reaction to Peter "Get behind me satan" who when informed by Jesus that he would suffer in Jerusalem, violently protested:

God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen to you (Matt 16:22)

Those whose ancestors wrote the old testament misunderstood its meaning and missed tragically the moment of destiny when the Messiah was within their mist.

Christianity is in the position of the second Israel with the purpose to receive the second coming. It can make the same providential and historical mistake as the first Israel.

As we can see, having written the book and understanding its codes are two different things.

The contradictions within the New testament concerning Jesus' mission can be only explained with the cross being a secondary course that God decided for Jesus. Jesus tried desperatelly to avoid it not because of fearing death but because of the consequence for humanity.

It is good to take a step back and look at the facts as reported in the Gospel. Pushing unlogical explanations as mystery does not do it.
 
Then logically, those who wrote the book know the code to its deciphering, and pass that code on to their chosen successors.

That'll be us then, the Orthodox Catholics, or Catholic Orthodox ...

Thomas
Let's go team, rah rah rah, we are the only one and true religion...beat the drum sis boom bah.

2 funny Thomas.

you got that in your mp3 player?
 
ah, but Jesus was a Jew, and he was sanctioned to interpret and his apostles were sanctioned and the ....were anointed...and and if she weighs the same as a duck she's a witch.
 
Jesus could not speak plainly about his plan even to his own disciples. Jesus spoke in figures and parables.
But He explained the meaning to His disciples. And furthermore:
"But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you."
John 14:26

The crucifixion was not at all the original mission of the son of God.
Oh, you just can't see it, can you? "But Jesus answered them, saying: The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified." John Yes it was. Always was. Luke 2:34 "And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted"

"But Jesus answered them, saying: The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Amen, amen I say to you, unless the grain of wheat falling into the ground die, Itself remaineth alone. But if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world, keepeth it unto life eternal."
John 12:23-25

You're message is about earthly happiness ... Jesus is talking about eternal life.

It was a secondary course that was decided at the Mount of transfiguration as it is reported in Luke
" And behold, two men talked with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure (his crrucifixion) which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem (Luke 9:30-31)
Note the word "accomplish" ...

God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen to you (Matt 16:22)
Soleil, the classic error is to read the text, and take something out of content, and interpet it erroneously ... read the whole text:
Matthew 16:21-25 "From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again. And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee. Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men. Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For he that will save his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall find it."
You're looking to Christ for temporal goods ... he is showing the way to eternal beatitude.

Read John again ... carefully.

It is good to take a step back and look at the facts as reported in the Gospel. Pushing unlogical explanations as mystery does not do it.
Wrong again ... God does not conform to human logic ... the invitation is to conform our logic to Him.

Matthew 26:39 and 42:
"And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

"Again the second time, he went and prayed, saying: My Father, if this chalice may not pass away, but I must drink it, thy will be done."

See also Mark 14:36, Luke 22:42

It was God's will:

Isaias 53:10
"And the Lord was pleased to bruise him in infirmity: if he shall lay down his life for sin, he shall see a long-lived seed, and the will of the Lord shall be prosperous in his hand."

John 15:13
"Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

John 3:16
"In this we have known the charity of God, because he hath laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."

John 10:15
"As the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father: and I lay down my life for my sheep."

John 10:17
"Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again."

Thomas
 
But He explained the meaning to His disciples. And furthermore:"But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you."John 14:26
John 16:25 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father."
Thomas, the real point I am making in this thread that Jesus could not speak freely because of the threatening environment he faced and that truth has been revealed step by step based on the maturity and the foundation of faith of the people of the providiential times. More will be revealed.

Oh, you just can't see it, can you? "But Jesus answered them, saying: The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified." John Yes it was. Always was. Luke 2:34 "And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted". ["But Jesus answered them, saying: The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Amen, amen I say to you, unless the grain of wheat falling into the ground die, Itself remaineth alone. But if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world, keepeth it unto life eternal."John 12:23-25
If you read carefully what I really wrote, these verses are in agreement with what I am saying.
Once Jesus changed course, the course of the cross became absolutely the will of God. I have no issue there.
My point again is that if you take all the verses in the Gospel, there is clearly a change of course from the initial proclamation by Jesus that the Kingdom Heaven was at hand.Let the dead burry the deads. Not just spiritual salvation but both physical and spiritual was his promise.

You're message is about earthly happiness ... Jesus is talking about eternal life.
Not at all. This is why the Messiah has to come back again. God wants to establish his Kingdom on earth and in heaven. Christianity is based on spiritual salvation only (spiritual 2nd Israel). We are still born with the original sin of Satan's lineage in our veins. We can become adopted son and daughters only.

Note the word "accomplish" ...
Once again, Jesus through total obedience united with God and accomplished the course of the cross once it became God's will.
On the cross Jesus gave much more than his physical body. He gave God's seed and the potential for his own sinless family (God's lineage)

Soleil, the classic error is to read the text, and take something out of content, and interpet it erroneously ... read the whole text:Matthew 16:21-25 "From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again. And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee. Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men. Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For he that will save his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall find it."You're looking to Christ for temporal goods ... he is showing the way to eternal beatitude.
Thomas. I am not taking anything out of content. I am doing the opposite. Once again, you are not getting my real point and keep repeating what I do not have a problem with.
There is not question that when Jesus had to take the course of the cross, it consequently became, absolute God's will. The following foundation of Christianity was made on the blood, sweet and tears of his disiciples. Jesus' course became the course for his followers to go through. Jesus undertood that.

To deny our physical body that is fallen since the human fall is essential for restoration. It does not change that the original goal for God is to establish his Kingdom on earth as well as in heaven.

As I said the only way to understand the contradictions in Jesus course is to recognized that he did not come initially to die on the cross but that it was God's initial will for him to be received and recognize as the Messiah not just by a few people from the lower echelons of society but the whole nation.

Wrong again ... God does not conform to human logic ... the invitation is to conform our logic to Him.
That is right.That is what I am doing

Matthew 26:39 and 42:
"And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."
"Again the second time, he went and prayed, saying: My Father, if this chalice may not pass away, but I must drink it, thy will be done."
See also Mark 14:36, Luke 22:42
It was God's will:
Absolutely, You have not read what I wrote.You are cherry picking the verses you want and avoiding the ones that do not support your theory. You are missing the whole picture and cannot present a coherent picture of Jesus'life and course.

Isaiah 53:10
"And the Lord was pleased to bruise him in infirmity: if he shall lay down his life for sin, he shall see a long-lived seed, and the will of the Lord shall be prosperous in his hand."
As you know there was two prophecies from Isaiah. One of Jesus coming gloriously and one coming to suffer. You picked the second one. Unfortunately when Jesus spoke in the synagogue, he did not pick the prophecy of suffering (yours) but the other, clearly telling the whole word that why he came. Isaiah 61.

Because fallen man is unpredictable and go between God and Satan, they are 2 prophecies in the bible for Jesus.
 
Absolutely, You have not read what I wrote.You are cherry picking the verses you want and avoiding the one that do not support your theory. .
As anyone can find the verse to prove or disprove any theory, I'd love to meet the person that doesn't (cherry pick that is).
 
I thought that was your point. YOU seem to have the answers. And I thought that the bible was about US. A guide for us. So, once again I seem to be wrong. LOL. What else is new.
 
The Bible has been a book of mystery, however it contains God's message

The Bible does not use plain language, but it is written in symbols and parables. Why ? Why did God not speak the truth clearly ?

God had to deal with the world of evil. Throughout the ages, God has handpicked His workers or champions, out of the evil world. Abraham, Noah, Jacob, Moses were such champions.

Because God's champions were always in the utmost minority in the evil world, God could not revealed His strategy too openly if not the enemy would use that information against His champions.

The Bible was written as a coded message, so that only God's agents or champions could decipher it.

From the New Future of Christianity
SMM Sept 18th 1974

What do you think ?
Me thinks the Bible is gapped, but otherwise, quite open.
 
I thought that was your point. YOU seem to have the answers. And I thought that the bible was about US. A guide for us. So, once again I seem to be wrong. LOL. What else is new.
Sorry greymare, I misunderstood your earlier post.

Soleil
 
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