why worship God ?

Um, G2G- I know what the Bible says. You posted this in Belief & Spirituality, not in Christianity. That allows a much wider range of people to be interpreting what worship is. I am trying to figure out what you're actually asking.

But it is seeming more and more like you already had an answer in mind to your own question, and wish to "push" people there- i.e., your conversation with CZZ. Since this is the B&S section, you're going to get non-Christian responses and people who don't rely on the Bible. It makes for a much more open response than you seem to be accepting.
 
path_of_one said:
Um, G2G- I know what the Bible says. You posted this in Belief & Spirituality, not in Christianity. That allows a much wider range of people to be interpreting what worship is. I am trying to figure out what you're actually asking.
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did you ask me about what I meant by worship or was that someone else ?

but I really only know about Christian worship so I posted an example of what the Bible says.

But it is seeming more and more like you already had an answer in mind to your own question, and wish to "push" people there- i.e., your conversation with CZZ.
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no Poo not at all, I dont really care which direction this thread goes in, i am not a moderator so I have no control over that.

Since this is the B&S section, you're going to get non-Christian responses and people who don't rely on the Bible. It makes for a much more open response than you seem to be accepting.
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bring it on hindu's and muslims also worship God and probably others to, I'd love to hear about it.

but if people tell me they are God then I expect a demonstration of Gods power otherwise its not real.
 
GlorytoGod said:
This is the God I am talking bout

now this is a challenge to anyone on the forum who thinks they are God :rolleyes:

I challenge you to create an entire universe and everything in it, and then I want I grand tour of your creation as proof ;)

And just to make it fair u have 7 days to do all of this, since thats how long it took God according to to the Bible.

Now if you cant do this then that means that you are not God but that you only think you are God because u read it in a book or because someone told and u swallowed the doctrine.
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Namaste g2g,

As paul said our goal is to have the Christ mind. You and the father are one!

I(you/we) am in G!d and G!d is in me and I am one with G!D and G!D is one with me. I and the creator are one. I am part of creation(result), and part of creation(act). Now this is like the metaphors of the wave being part of the ocean, there it is, now its not. The water doesn't change, it is the same water yet there are multiple waves. One wave disappears and the next uses the same ocean as its existence and then disappears. I am a wave, I am on this plane of existence temporarily and an expression of G!d in this plane.

G!d is in me, but not like a raisin is in a bun (Eric Butterworth I believe)

And thank you for the seven days comment. It establishes how far apart we are.
 
g2g said:
but if people tell me they are God then I expect a demonstration of Gods power otherwise its not real.
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That's assuming the person in question shares your definition of God. If God is infinitely infinite, how can anything not be a part of God? Maybe from our perspective a person or other finite thing appears to not be a part of God. Maybe from God's perspective, as it were, nothing exists but God.

-- Dauer
 
wil said:
Namaste g2g,

As paul said our goal is to have the Christ mind. You and the father are one!

I(you/we) am in G!d and G!d is in me and I am one with G!D and G!D is one with me. I and the creator are one. I am part of creation(result), and part of creation(act). Now this is like the metaphors of the wave being part of the ocean, there it is, now its not. The water doesn't change, it is the same water yet there are multiple waves. One wave disappears and the next uses the same ocean as its existence and then disappears. I am a wave, I am on this plane of existence temporarily and an expression of G!d in this plane.

G!d is in me, but not like a raisin is in a bun (Eric Butterworth I believe)
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yes wil, I think I agree with you well sort of.

But Jesus was raised from the Dead and performed many miracles, Paul performed many miracles, they were able to demonstrate with Power, can you ?

Because if you cant then its not real, its in your imagination.

And thank you for the seven days comment. It establishes how far apart we are.
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so where I am then in relation to you ?
 
dauer said:
That's assuming the person in question shares your definition of God. If God is infinitely infinite, how can anything not be a part of God? Maybe from our perspective a person or other finite thing appears to not be a part of God. Maybe from God's perspective, as it were, nothing exists but God.

-- Dauer
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i see your point Dauer up to a point :)
 
dauer said:
What point is that?
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up to my definition of God,

about seeing things from Gods perspective, well i dont know about that.

i believe we all have a bit of divine in us but we are God.

Mother Meera says

To say "I am God" is not good. Only when we merge in the Divine can we say this. As long as we have our own thoughts, feelings, desires then it is not right.
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My point was that there are other ways of understanding God that don't impose the same requirements for demonstrations of power. I then gave one. Do you agree that there are other ways of understanding God that wouldn't hold the same requirement?
 
dauer said:
My point was that there are other ways of understanding God that don't impose the same requirements for demonstrations of power. I then gave one. Do you agree that there are other ways of understanding God that wouldn't hold the same requirement?
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no I dont actually that would not be God IMO.
 
Do you believe in God Dauer ?

if so how do you worship, and why and what do you get out of it and what does God get out of it ?
 
GlorytoGod said:
yes wil, I think I agree with you well sort of.

But Jesus was raised from the Dead and performed many miracles, Paul performed many miracles, they were able to demonstrate with Power, can you ?

Because if you cant then its not real, its in your imagination.

so where I am then in relation to you ?
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Namaste G2G,

I've learned and utilized natural healing techniques, however I don't consider those healings miraculous. One interesting thing about biblical healings is we don't get any follow up. This person was healed, and so was that, but what about tomorrow, or 5 - 10 years later, did the healing last (like cancer in remission) or come back (like cancer formerly in remission) We just don't have those stories. My inclination is that a lot had to do with the presence, the presence of the healer, or of Jesus, just let me touch the hem of his garment, no don't go see my servant just say so and he'll be healed. That aura, that presence of a healer is a powerful thing.

But while this is what my elder brother and wayshower teaches me, I completely admit I am not there in this plane, I haven't fully incorporated or grocked all his teachings. I'm afraid I'm still invested in things that rust and moths will eat away, I have not completely taken in not to worry about where my next meal will come from or the rent money. My ego is still out there working for my daily bread and thinking I'm involved in the process...still out there making car payments. I've not had my road to Damascus experience...so I'm not there yet.

However nor can I make a cell phone, or a nuclear bomb, but they exist. Just because I do not know how to use all the tools that G!d has provided does not eliminate my oneness from him.

As far as our differences, I am not litteralist, do not believe G!d created the world in 7 days, or 7 periods, or 7 eons, or 7 ages...I believe the story to be allegory.
 
G2G, How do you describe your connection (or lack of it) to God?

How would you correct my alleged misconception of being intimately connected to God?
 
Worshipping God? Is that the most important thing for God's people and God-worshippers?

I personally don't know how to worship God. I used to think I knew what that meant. Now I don't. "Worship" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. I used to think it was singing hymns but with the life experience I have presently accumulated, singing hymns no longer feels like a meaningful way of thinking about one's devotion or connection with God. Praising God doesn't mean anything either anymore.

Singing hymns and chanting praises to me now seems more like a part of a sheep mentality. Someone else does it so you do it too. It now seems more like becoming a part of a social-political identity than just about devotion to God.

Hymn-singing and praise-chanting seems very much a part of the traditional Christian spiritual diet. I have just figured out that it isn't my favourite cuisine or staple and nor does it provide me with much spiritual nutrition. Although there is a standard response to the question of why Christians do it, it no longer makes sense to me why everybody has to do it that way.

I can no longer rationalise it. Instead, my focus is no longer on worship but devotion. I see life as a journey. I am on a road. I am walking towards a particular destination. I have a fair idea of what I will find when I get there. I have a mental image of what it will be like. But I will most probably be surprised at how different my destination will be to the mental image in my mind. It will, no doubt be a memorable experience, but it is not going to be something that will match precisely my preconceived notions of the destination.

God is a fellow traveller. He is on the journey with me. He too, is out here for an experience. My destination is also his destination. He is going where I am going and I am going where he is going.

Worship is very much like falling in love and getting married. Living, in contrast, is much more important and difficult.
 
GlorytoGod said:
Jesus ... Paul ... they were able to demonstrate with Power, can you ? ...
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Okay Glory

You ask God to build me a doghouse and paint it red.
You ask me to build a doghouse and paint it blue.

When you come by my place in 7 days to check it out, what color do you suspect my doghouse is going to be?

GlorytoGod said:
... demonstrate with Power ... Because if you cant then its not real, its in your imagination.
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Penelope

 
thats lame and not realistic.

how about this... you paint a picture of a scene... the sky the trees and a meadow ..that picture belongs to you, its your creation, you are its creator.

Go outside and look at your surroundings.. you see the sky the trees and a meadow ... it belongs to someone... something created all that.. someone is its creator.
 
GlorytoGod said:
why do people worship God ?

what do we get out of it, and what does God get out of it if anything ?
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I will answer this as a biblical Christian.. God created man to worship Him. Not because He needs it but so He can bless us and care for us love us have us be joyful in Him. He wanted a people that wanted to willingly have a personal relationship with Him. We are blessed by worship He indwells the praises of His people so He lives within our praises. God.. who IS love gets to have that manifested in us. And its all for His good pleasure. It makes Him happy to see his people be happy.
 
Penelope said:
Okay Glory

You ask God to build me a doghouse and paint it red.
You ask me to build a doghouse and paint it blue.

When you come by my place in 7 days to check it out, what color do you suspect my doghouse is going to be?



Penelope
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Faithfulservant said:
thats lame and not realistic.

how about this... you paint a picture of a scene... the sky the trees and a meadow ..that picture belongs to you, its your creation, you are its creator.

Go outside and look at your surroundings.. you see the sky the trees and a meadow ... it belongs to someone... something created all that.. someone is its creator.
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Now actually it appears every bit as realistic as what you've asked or G2G...

Now I'm a believer but none of us can prove G!d created this world or in seven days. But Penelope will be able to prove who built her dog house, and the color of paint will prove her point.
 
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