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Heaven is in Oneness (no more reincarnation unless voluntarily, for a cause) and hell is being in the Wheel of Karma at times. Jesus said; 'you can do what I have been doing', meaning fall of the wheel of karma (and be one with the "father". I suppose Jesus was a 7th level initiate and he only gained Consciousness after he was Crucified.
 

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Heaven is in Oneness (no more reincarnation unless voluntarily, for a cause) and hell is being in the Wheel of Karma at times. Jesus said; 'you can do what I have been doing', meaning fall of the wheel of karma (and be one with the "father". I suppose Jesus was a 7th level initiate and he only gained Consciousness after he was Crucified.

I believe in reincarnation but not for everyone. Jesus was a prehuman divine being. Some say he was god some say Michael the archangel. He wasn't just a man who achieved a higher state of being. He came from a higher place into the human body for the salvation of others.
 
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People should research on "Time" in Physics, since Einstein.
Should Reincarnation be seen as something linear? Or, Concurrant with respect to "emanation", and,
apart from time?
 
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Rebirth implies rebirth into the time&space dimension of nature -- which includes all suns and worlds and neutron stars and galaxies both seen and unseen -- but not necessarily meaning reincarnation/rebirth upon this planet, imo?
 

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Rebirth implies rebirth into the time&space dimension of nature -- which includes all suns and worlds and neutron stars and galaxies both seen and unseen -- but not necessarily meaning reincarnation/rebirth upon this planet, imo?

That's a difficult question RJM.
 
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Should Reincarnation be seen as something linear? Or, Concurrant with respect to "emanation", and, apart from time?
In our virtual world where time exists, it is linear. Molecules of the body disperse and get attached (ever so temporarily) to millions of living and non-living things. I am a votary of virtual world. You know, 'Maya'.
 
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Sure.
But that means to me though Aupmanyav, that there is something true, and sure!

Not merely carbon in the brain.
 

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Yes, I believe there is something true behind light, heat, electricity, etc. Carbon too, is just THAT.
"Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma" (All thing here are Brahman)
"Eko sad, Dwiteeyo nasti" (What exists is one, there is no second)
"Ayam atma Brahman" (This self is Brahman)
"Tat twam asi" (That is what you are)

Advaita Hinduism is a no non-sence philosophy.
 
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The Multiple States of Being involve Simultaneity as well as Succession.

It's worthwhile thinking about, if only s a corrective to the assumptions about 'reincarnation', or 'rebirth' in other, non-carnal states.

The term suggests rebirth in this spatio-temporal domain, which is seen by the traditions as, among other things, a failure. The human state is a 'special state' and reincarnation as a human again is disputed, although very popular. One could say it's naive.
 
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The Multiple States of Being involve Simultaneity as well as Succession.

It's worthwhile thinking about, if only s a corrective to the assumptions about 'reincarnation', or 'rebirth' in other, non-carnal states.

The term suggests rebirth in this spatio-temporal domain, which is seen by the traditions as, among other things, a failure. The human state is a 'special state' and reincarnation as a human again is disputed, although very popular. One could say it's naive.

The Buddha, who was not above the occasional fire-and-brimstone sermon, is remembered to have taught that birth as a hell-being or hungry ghost or animal was the most likely one.

The human birth was considered very precious.
 

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The term suggests rebirth in this spatio-temporal domain, which is seen by the traditions as, among other things, a failure. The human state is a 'special state' and reincarnation as a human again is disputed, although very popular. One could say it's naive.
Why do you resort to special pleading all the time?
 

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Agreement that a human incarnation is special and perhaps unique -- the best chance to get on -- unlikely to be repeated?
 

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The mission creep from rebirth to 'new age' philosophy: continual reincarnation upon this planet -- I was Cleopatra in my last life -- is inconsistent with the proper understanding of rebirth amongst all worlds and states of existence?
 

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If Buddha taught that, it was wrong. Of course, human birth is precious. One gets it only once.
That was my personal view.
According to most Hindus and Sikhs, it is repeated 8.4 million times (lukh chaurasi- 84,00,000 in Indian number system), unless someone gets a reprieve, moksha, nirvana by one of the three methods - good deeds, devotion or knowledge (Jnana, Bhakti, Karma).
The mission creep from rebirth to 'new age' philosophy: continual reincarnation upon this planet -- I was Cleopatra in my last life -- is inconsistent with the proper understanding of rebirth amongst all worlds and states of existence?
Hindus would not say 'no'. Perhaps you were. Who knows? :D
 
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... According to most Hindus and Sikhs, it is repeated 8.4 million times (lukh chaurasi- 84,00,000 in Indian number system), unless someone gets a reprieve, moksha, nirvana by one of the three methods - good deeds, devotion or knowledge (Jnana, Bhakti, Karma).
On planet Earth, you mean?
 
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