Is there a true Church in this world today?

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  1. IowaGuy

    IowaGuy Hunter-Gatherer

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    I've personally always felt closer to "God" outside of church and a cookie-cutter doctrine.


    Agreed. I dig Muir's thoughts on this:

    "The hills and groves were God's first temples, and the more they are cut down and hewn into cathedrals and churches, the farther off and dimmer seems the Lord himself"
    - John Muir (1838-1914)
     
  2. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    I have heard that there are over a thousand Christian denominations in England alone. (Hey, people in England, is this true?)
     
  3. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Hey wil,

    According to that web page philvaz.com, five new Christian denominations appear every week. Holy moly!
     
  5. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    And some of them, like Unity, Unitarian-Univeralist, and Religous Society of Friends allow each member to have their own view.... phew, add a million-or-so Christian Churches there.
     
  6. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    lol I saw that
    I represent that remark
     
  7. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    As Mark I remark it is good you represent that remark, as do I.
     
  8. Servetus

    Servetus New Member

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    From my standpoint, there is, in fact, a true church today. I call it the Philadelphian (not to be confused with the city by the same name) Church, distinguished, as it is, by love, and I think its members are scattered abroad and do rarely meet. I met a member (or two) once. They were Freegans (I cannot provide links yet because I haven’t posted enough, but, if you are interested, please search Google for the term) and were identifiable not only by their obvious compassion but also by the halogen glow of their bright eyes in what would otherwise have been a dark place. I saw that same halogen glow in some Sufi Muslims in India and figured they were the “other sheep of other folds” to whom Jesus referred and, therefore, that the Philadelphian Church also had some representatives from Kashmir, living in New Delhi and trading in carpets.
     
  9. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Let's take that a little further. I saw the same glow in some (not all) Hasidim I have met and Native American Church members. “Other sheep of other folds” = "in my Father's house are many mansions" = "when you call out any of the ten thousand names of God, it echoes inside you"

    Pax et amor vincunt omnia--radarmark
     
  10. Servetus

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    Now that you mention it, during a Simchat Torah celebration in Safed, I watched as a synagogue filled with brothers of Jesus, largely Sephardic by the looks of things, practically levitated with spiritual energy. I wasn’t even sure I was supposed to be there, witnessing the event, but a polite, young (Hassidic) man from Brooklyn who greeted me assured me that everything was fine, provided I wear a yarmulke, which was fine with me. I haven’t had much experience with what I would consider genuine Native American spirituality, but hope someday that I shall. Meanwhile, I think the Philadelphian Church is largely in diaspora, but, like Ezekiel’s vision of dry bones, it might be joining together as the need arises.
     
  11. donnann

    donnann Active Member

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    Just as jesus body was considered the word the true church would also be a body sent from heaven that is human and divine. The point is that the true church is the KNOWLEDGE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN which divine beings possess so through that being an increase of this knowledge here on earth leads to salvation.
     
  12. donnann

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    To add something else I believe that the 7 seals of revelation are 7 miracles involving the body of the divine and human being starting at coneption to reveal hidden truths.
     
  13. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Huh? :confused: I need a little help comprehending what you mean.

    Pax et amor vincunt omnia. radarmark
     
  14. donnann

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    Hi radar,

    To give you an example christ was called the living word. The truth about the kingdom of heaven came from him because he was a divine being who incarnated into the human body. Miracles happened to him and he did miracles. Revelation seals refer to a divine body that incarnated into the human body and the divine being is revealed with the seal openings and closings. An example is resurrection which is one of the seal openings and bindings. The body goes from the human condition and is raised up to a giant spirit being , then sealed back down into the human condition. Each opening and binding is a revealing, a revelation and an identification. And there are always witnesses to these.
     
  15. donnann

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    Remember the church is always referred to in the female sense. The bridegroom is always the male. Even the arc of the covenant , although an actual sacred chest, has a living counterpart that it represents. The woman in revelation with 12 stars, the 12 stars representing the universe, is the arc. This is because the woman is human and divine in a prophecy sense of the word. The birth is the restoration of the universe back to its original state the human child being the center. The human child in the larger sense is mankind and the universe extends outward from here so the woman represents the whole universe as far as salvation.
     
  16. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Well dannann, to tell you the tuth Revelations has always been problematic for me. Sometimes I feel like the Ethiopean Chruch got it righ to leave it out of canon. Most of the time I agree with the other Eastern Churches and just ignore it.

    I read it quite historically as a tale of what happened to the 7 Chuches of Asia (say about 40-80 C.E.).

    Stripped of the references, what I hear is that you do not believe in a "True Church" today.

    Pax et amore vincunt omnia radarmark
     
  17. donnann

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    Yes I do. I do agree with Jesus though, the greatest of all is love. If you think about it if there were no pain , there would be no need for compassion. I believe that all good emotions come from love but that in the end when everyone and everything is perfect thats all everyone will be. I believe this is the most important aspect of the true church and the center and most highest self we can be so there may be a divine being that is the actual church but everyones body is a temple and each person can find the true church within themselves.
     
  18. kiwimac

    kiwimac God is NOT about Fear

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    1: Churches do NOT preach / teach "thousands of Gospels" and disagreement on doctrine while unfortunate is not proof of error.
     
  19. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Well said, kiwimac. If only churches (or any religious entity) were like my thoughts and "thousands of Gospels" are true simultaneously and doctrine was replaced with experience. Dang, that wafs both poetic and egotistic... so be it.

    Pax et amore vincunt omnia -- radarmark
     
  20. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    We will never be perfect (We are human). All we can ask for is to have faith that love will continually change us into something better than what are and hope to know love more fully than we do today. (Faith - Hope - Love) These three remain and the greatest of these is love.


    If we ever became perfect, what would there be to have faith in and what would be our hope? Both would be forgotten, hence it is written that faith, hope, and love remain, thus we continue the cycle of transformation, the process of being perfected without ever reaching perfection.
     

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